http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#91b7426c-a9a9-4cb0-af32-821f903cf716 "I think the subcontext for this conversation is excellent and I appreciate hearing all sides. Respect is paramount. " Working with ayahuasca, we all have to find our own way to relate to something that's overtly ungraspable . . . and so when we articulate our positions, the differences suggest the contours of an undefined territory. So we should be excited if we think we've found a point of actual disagreement! But anyhow, the importance of respect is *not* a point of disagreement between us. Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:10:02 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#91b7426c-a9a9-4cb0-af32-821f903cf716 ben 2008-12-16T03:10:02Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#2301cac7-d573-4389-bcbe-74ed1513dc10 Well said, Ben. I think the subcontext for this conversation is excellent and I appreciate hearing all sides. Respect is paramount. Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:51:01 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#2301cac7-d573-4389-bcbe-74ed1513dc10 *Richard 2008-12-16T02:51:01Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#bdd4ad97-d652-4a82-9fa4-e16570c0b530 Nick and Richard, I'm happy to see your perspectives here. Given that to which you were responding, I might have said something similar. But since you've both expressed the important of caution I can feel comfortable stating a somewhat contrary position. Really, I don’t disagree outright . . . what you've said is a good starting point; it allows me to meaningfully disagree. I'll begin with the point I'd like to make, and then follow it with an explanation: The degree of 'danger' involved in working with ayahuasca corresponds to the particular position we take in relation to the tea. To clarify that, here's a quick illustration: What appears to be dangerous at one level of the experience is sometimes revealed as a blessing; indeed, as the doorway between that level of experience and another. To give a specific example--I think that in some instances, the 'bad spirits' act as vultures to dismember the carrion-self, and allow a passage into a different order of experience. The problem with the issue of 'danger' is the profound ambiguity of its emergence within the ayahuasca experience. It may be that the basic foundation of our relationship to danger is one of the central issues that ayahuasca tends to present. It appears to me that 'danger' is deeply involved in the formation of selfhood, and so tends to present itself at the boundaries of self-identity, and during reevaluations and redefinitions of personal identity. I think, then, that a fixed concept of 'danger' can make certain processes more difficult. I also think that, beyond a certain point, a curandero can't do much to assist the drinker. But that would be especially hard for me to justify. I will say this: I started drinking ayahuasca before I ever went to south america, I spent six months in Ecuador drinking ayahuasca, and I've continued to drink ayahuasca (occasionally) since I returned. My relationship to the tea is such that in my most difficult experiences, no one can do much to help me--and that's because, as far as I can tell, these experiences are not problematic because of particular, external elements (spirits) that can be controlled, but because they involve a deep reassessment of my basic attitude toward Being, and toward individuality and relationships. Now, also, I've been strongly influenced by the Ecuadorian tradition that I consider to be a big part of my own foundation for working with ayahuasca. And in this tradition, there was really no talk of danger. The curandero, for all of his remarkable power, rarely interfered overtly with the personal experiences of drinkers. If I wanted to drink by myself, certainly no one would have suggested that it was a bad idea. In fact, they wanted to be sure that I'd be able to continue drinking ayahuasca when I returned home. Also, I've heard that if a family that's a part of the community where I lived had some problem--a health issue, for instance--they might prepare ayahuasca and attempt to address the problem themselves, without a curandero around. Anyway, that's entirely anecdotal, so take it with a grain of salt. -- Now, with that said, I'd like to temper my position with a few other points. First, a good curandero is a healer--a doctor--who can use ayahuasca to perform cures for specific illnesses. In the tradition with which I am familiar, the shaman is not so much a 'guide' as a doctor. It's believed that ayahuasca is always cleansing and always teaches, but that to heal a particular ailment will often, or even usually, require specific treatment. Treatment is performed both through ritual and through the use of other medicinal plants. And also, only under very exceptional conditions would I actually recommend that someone drink ayahuasca alone. First of all, I would never suggest such a thing to someone who I don't know very well. I have personally known people who would almost certainly flip out, at least temporarily and possibly for an extended amount of time, if they were to take any plant hallucinogen. We really don't know each other well enough through this medium to make suggestions like that. I think it would almost always be better for someone without experience to spend time drinking with another person or group that does have experience and some sort of developed ritual framework. The biggest problem that I see is that most North Americans just don’t have any context into which drinking ayahausca can be integrated. The bedroom of a modern home strikes me as very much less than an ideal location. Most people don’t have a ritual framework. Ultimately, then, I guess my point is that ayahuasca reveals that ritual and structure is arbitrary; but ritual structure *is* profoundly important. It can become a fixation that we refuse to transcend, and yet the transcendence of ritual is best placed within a ritual framework. Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:42:15 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#bdd4ad97-d652-4a82-9fa4-e16570c0b530 ben 2008-12-16T02:42:15Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#fb8c5985-3d87-43c4-9791-9261caf2efd3 Thanks for making these points, Richard. I might add there are more ways of working with the medicine, for example Vine only brews, or brews low on the light, can be a very effective healing aid, and have no disaster history record (except for bad MAOI reactions maybe). While they're far from encompassing the full spectrum of what Aya is capable of, IMO it's a great way to get to know the territory before you break the bank to go to South America. This way you can work through some of your minor blockages and pave the road to working on more severe issues with a shaman. I have also heard of many people who have been to the Amazon and broken through and claim they don't need a shaman anymore. It's up to the individual to choose the most viable tradeoff between guided and unguided work, and it depends on their circumstances, ranging from the kind of work they need to financial ones. Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:20:58 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#fb8c5985-3d87-43c4-9791-9261caf2efd3 Dzikus 2008-12-16T01:20:58Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#c914f840-e05d-48b1-b129-dbd4454edf52 clearly put Richard! excellent points! as all-ways! Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:42:29 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#c914f840-e05d-48b1-b129-dbd4454edf52 $item.owner.firstName 2008-12-15T20:42:29Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#0903f917-665e-4ddb-be7f-498714035630 Richard -- You are -- as is so often the case -- absolutely right. -- Steve http://singingtotheplants.blogspot.com/ Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:18:40 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#0903f917-665e-4ddb-be7f-498714035630 Steve 2008-12-15T20:18:40Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#96107037-c7c2-4e91-adf5-581319767b7b ;-) Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:03:03 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#96107037-c7c2-4e91-adf5-581319767b7b *Richard 2008-12-15T20:03:03Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#5578fc16-403f-4ba6-8d49-7c98d969fc39 Richard- As always, your words reflect the wisdom of experience and the clarity that can only come from plugging in at the roots. Good medicine brother. Respect, Veg Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:57:32 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#5578fc16-403f-4ba6-8d49-7c98d969fc39 vegetalista 2008-12-15T19:57:32Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#5c2346f6-3c32-4136-9267-950dd3e47a58 I agree, Nick. There are several things a person deals with when they enter the world of la medicina. First, is the medicine, which is a powerful entity and has a powerful chemical affect on the function of the brain and neurological system. It also powerfully affects the mind. This in itself can be dangerous if it's taken without wisdom and guidance. Just because I can drive my beater ford around doesn't mean that it would be wise for me to get behind the wheels of a Formula 1 racing car and hit the track. While the Formula 1 has gas pedal, brakes, steering wheel, etc. the skill set to drive one and survive are totally different than getting on a freeway and doing 70. Then comes the pre-existing mental/emotional conditions of the person combining with the medicine. I like it to being dropped off in a huge city where you don't speak the language, haven't a map, and don't know where you are going or how to get there. Some may try to help you, some in the guise of helping you will lead you into danger. Trust the spirits? Just like that. Some have your best interesting, others not. How do you know the difference if you've never been there before. Can it be dangerous? Yup. Stories exist about people doing really really stupid things on medicine. Some of them have been quite fatal. does that make the medicine dangerous? Well, a formula one car won't kill you unless you get behind the wheel untrained. Even then. . . Next come hubris and claridad. So, you've taken a dose of the medicine alone. All that is there is your body and greatly affected mind. Messages come in from all directions. Some might tell you things that are really cool: you're a great Shaman, change your name to Jesus, because, like really, that's who you are, your ex is attacking you on the psychic level, use the power you have to harm them; and it can and does go on and on. How do you know what is real and what is your mind. Hubris dictates that your chemically puffed up ego will back you up fully. And, the higher you get, the more power that will have. Then comes the actual physical dangers of the medicine. It's not uncommon to get up and pass out. At least one person I've heard of died this way. In a well-run ceremony, there will be people there to help you. When you are alone, you are alone. The cultures that have used powerful entheogens have developed, though generations and generations of experience and study, methodologies of use. There is a reason for this. For example, ganga in India. The use of ganga by the sadhus is far different in practice and effect than sitting around a living room, getting stoned and watching SouthPark or a football game, or whatever. Granted you don't have to go to India to smoke, but to do it in a manner consistent with its entheogenic use takes at least some understanding of the field in which it's use there developed. Even more so with plants like Aya. Do you know the icaros? Do you really know what to do when you get in trouble? And I've seen people get in trouble who have decades of use behind them. At that moment having a more experienced guiding hand singing you the correct icaro for the healing you need is amazing and well worth a trip to the Amazon. And then there is the simple beauty of taking the medicine in its home. Granted, not necessary for the experience of her, but the only way to experience the full and total aspects of la medicina en la selva is to be there doing it. Otherwise it's just assumptions. And to finish, a word of caution to those who are advocating others to try it alone. Are you fully aware of the responsibility you are taking on by putting yourself in the role of a teacher - cause that is what you are doing. Are you willing to take on the responsibility and karma of what could happen to someone who takes the medicine via your directions and has a very bad life changing experience? I urge you to think about this deeply. Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:43:09 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#5c2346f6-3c32-4136-9267-950dd3e47a58 *Richard 2008-12-15T19:43:09Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#672f1a6f-4946-4f53-ab02-5f5686a70e74 > Or just work with locally available medicines that aren't as dangerous I'm not sure what you mean. Ayahuasca is not dangerous and is available everywhere, excepting France. Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:26:48 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#672f1a6f-4946-4f53-ab02-5f5686a70e74 Dzikus 2008-12-15T15:26:48Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#33b3f331-8adf-458d-8e86-3c920a180738 > why don't you learn how to make Ayahuasca ALL BY YOUR LIL' Self, cook it up and drink it! You want change, IF you really want change, change can't wait!! That's a good starting point, but in case of serious ailments or unbearable fear you still may need to see a curandero. Unless you're willing to devote 30 years to learn what they already know. Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:21:21 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#33b3f331-8adf-458d-8e86-3c920a180738 Dzikus 2008-12-15T15:21:21Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#f344e70a-35c3-4e12-8cf1-c6c9e62a1db8 Yeah nick i like that idea of finding the medicine here, i even just started a topic on it, maybe you could be inspired and make some suggestions Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:54:30 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#f344e70a-35c3-4e12-8cf1-c6c9e62a1db8 $item.owner.firstName 2008-12-15T14:54:30Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#7423652e-8a2f-4746-ae82-fb38f99fcc3d Nick- I couldn't possibly agree more. Well said. Respect, Veg Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:45:09 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#7423652e-8a2f-4746-ae82-fb38f99fcc3d vegetalista 2008-12-15T14:45:09Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#29424a29-79f3-4f00-91cb-f81bb2e46e8d I couldn't disagree more. These are incredibly powerful substances that give you the power to rewire your brain. Would you perform brain-surgery on yourself off of some directions you found on the internet? Because thats basically what you're doing. Its not that these curanderos are necessarily performing miracles (although there are enough documented cases of cured cancer, hypertension, diabetes, and alcoholism to give it some credence), but they come from cultures that benefit from thousands of years of working with these medicines. Obviously there is some variation between them, and there are charlatans as well as true healers, but until you've worked with the medicine under proper supervision and been trained in its preparation and use, its extremely dangerous to try it yourself. Or just work with locally available medicines that aren't as dangerous. Don't waste all the fossil fuels to fly down to South America just to do drugs. I went twice with other intentions, but the plants had their own plans for me. Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:24:24 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#29424a29-79f3-4f00-91cb-f81bb2e46e8d Nick 2008-12-15T05:24:24Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#72246e9c-416b-498c-ad53-bbe100a472b1 i wouldn't have been as harsh, but i agree totally with what you are saying PP... word. Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:26:06 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#72246e9c-416b-498c-ad53-bbe100a472b1 om 2008-12-13T18:26:06Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#8c7dc512-1e1d-4a4e-8f1f-a19968dd4ae0 STOP this fucking bullshit right now, ALL of you. you don't need to go to fucking south america to drink Ayahuasca. Do you need to go to India to smoke Ganja? in other words, you can have a sacred profound positive Life-Affirming spiritual experience RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE!!! you don't need to go ***ANY***where!!! This is the most common misconception people make about growth, evolution and Enlightenment. Do you think some Magic Man is going to perform miracles for you while you lay on a bamboo mat in Peru? no? then why do you have to go to "be healed?" why don't you learn how to make Ayahuasca ALL BY YOUR LIL' Self, cook it up and drink it! You want change, IF you really want change, change can't wait!! You're just setting yourself up for disappointment. do yourself a favor kristin and snap out of it. bliss, n Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:22:40 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#8c7dc512-1e1d-4a4e-8f1f-a19968dd4ae0 ProjectProphet 2008-12-13T06:22:40Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#25114d14-7793-4700-a794-d31efbce0cfd Thanks. Bit on the pricey side but looks like a great spot. Sometimes you get what you pay for. Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:34:03 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#25114d14-7793-4700-a794-d31efbce0cfd *Richard 2008-11-24T20:34:03Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#e3ad9bd2-bd04-491b-8b86-0f5eec98b8b0 Richard- The lodge that I first worked at with Ayahuasca is Corto Maltes. I believe y'all misinterpreted me. It is 70 euros per ceremony, OR 390 if you go for 3 ceremonies in four days. A week is actually 700. These prices are listed on their website, and are higher than I remember. That is for a really nice eco-lodge though. I know ayahuasqueros in the surrounding region who do ceremony for 20 bucks (or free), but generally you need to know someone first. Isn't that how everything works in life? Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:27:31 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#e3ad9bd2-bd04-491b-8b86-0f5eec98b8b0 Nick 2008-11-24T19:27:31Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#f22b516d-2a7b-4201-8fdf-e314f4587538 Not his accountant, just a very close friend of his. I've watched Percy grow from having just a small thatched roof hut in the jungle to a beautiful compound and I've watched him remain the same humble and honest heart he's always had. contact him personally, his email is above. Right now he has the curandero Carlos working with him and Carlos is bi-lingual so can answer your emails if they are in english. He holds ceremonies on Monday, Wednesday and Fridays and trys to come into iquitos to be with his family and check emails on the other days, but not always. Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:04:48 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#f22b516d-2a7b-4201-8fdf-e314f4587538 alan 2008-11-16T16:04:48Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#6f97cf14-9c4e-4cc0-bfe2-d883a3e7c5a4 First, Kristin, you have to realize that all this self-centeredness going on here has nothing to do with shamanism and very little if anything to do with spirituality. What we have on the Ayahuasca Tribe is a collection of misguided wannabes, who are pretending to study shamanism, but in reality, we are a bunch of spoiled Westerners, who are trying to put shamanism in a little box and claim it as our own. And, as usual, it all comes down to money, because money is what it is all about. We also have an enormous sense of self-importance and mission, don't we? Shamanism is not a group activity. Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:33:26 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#6f97cf14-9c4e-4cc0-bfe2-d883a3e7c5a4 chullachaqui 2008-11-16T14:33:26Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#9a1c390a-9532-4188-9608-36df6af942e8 you sound like his accountant. Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:52:46 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#9a1c390a-9532-4188-9608-36df6af942e8 Omarsky 2008-11-16T08:52:46Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#dde9128c-f34b-457d-a219-610614536ad2 ...and there you go... You can do this for even 400 a week... and probably less, if you're really low on funds. but just remember, he has a compound built, private cabins, each with their own bathrooms, screened in, ceremonial maloca built over a river, flower baths, deep jungle and most importantly, he has a wife and children in the city that don't get to see their Father that often because of his work. so if you can pay 500 or more, it really goes a long way down here. 400 does as well. so does 300... And maybe someone would like to come down and put in a nice vegetable garden for him??? Certainly he'd discount you for this as well. He's really busy now but it's the low season, probably a good time to come if you can. someone just brought him solar spot lights... there's alot of things that he could use, no doubt. Frankly, we have a relatively young man on the right path and so let's help keep him there. they are quite rare. Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:33:38 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#dde9128c-f34b-457d-a219-610614536ad2 alan 2008-11-16T02:33:38Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#3eeb255e-a46f-4484-b8c2-3373936088b2 hi i just returned from 3 weeks of healing with percy garcia and carlos his assistant.I would e-mail him and you will get a response fairly fast.He is worth every penny he charges.The diet is simple with very low salt and if you choose you can fast and connect with the master plant,which i strongly suggest.The ayahuasca will have a much stronger effect on you and a deeper healing.If you have any other questions let me know..I will be glad to answer you.I stayed 3 weeks and paid 400 dollars a week and that was from the 9th of october to the 29th of october.You can contact him at www.diosayahuascasana.multiply.com e-mail percygalosha@hotmail.com Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:26:44 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#3eeb255e-a46f-4484-b8c2-3373936088b2 damon 2008-11-15T23:26:44Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#0a38df7c-45e6-40fe-b647-4c7a247ebec8 Kirstin, sounds like you've been visiting Vivian's... Percy spends most of his time in his jungle compound and also doesn't read english. He always drops by my home/office when he's in. the important thing is to give the dates that you want to be there so you have a private cabin reserved for you. Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:17:35 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#0a38df7c-45e6-40fe-b647-4c7a247ebec8 alan 2008-11-15T22:17:35Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#20d68747-bf9d-4e67-8c53-63283a07f7df Hey everyone, thank you so much for your posts. Im wondering how I can get in contact with Percy, should I email him before hand and do any of you have his number of email. I really want to do this and make this happen for myself. this is one of the main reasons why i came to south america, and then i kind of gave up on it because it seemed too hard to arrange, but now, ive been in la paz for the past week and just been living kind of unhealthy, (the party scene here is big on cocaine), and just feeling like i want to do some deep meaningful work with myself. so thank you for any conctact info you could provide. kristin Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:06:29 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#20d68747-bf9d-4e67-8c53-63283a07f7df Kristin 2008-11-15T21:06:29Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#3cdee8a7-a639-4826-9e90-b7964843aa13 That seems like a much more reasonable price raise....but you're right, I'm sure he is worth 6 a week and more! :) Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:12:09 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#3cdee8a7-a639-4826-9e90-b7964843aa13 Jav 2008-11-13T02:12:09Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#017aa24f-9663-461f-b061-4255a2d41344 ..oops... I made a mistake... Percy just left here and he´s not $600 per week, he´s $500... sorry about that. I´d give him 6 anyway!! LOL Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:18:25 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#017aa24f-9663-461f-b061-4255a2d41344 alan 2008-11-12T19:18:25Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#cc1669bb-725d-458d-bc77-641bedb7c984 If you go to a jungle compound and have your own cabin, eat there, jungle walks, etc. and no ayahuasca, you´re charged more than $600 per week. Now that´s just the beginning asking price. If I were going to Percy´s, I´d try and negotiate for a lower rate. He can do that and has done that often. When it comes right down to it, I´ve never seen him turn anyone away because of lack of funds. For others, $600 per week is fine as they can afford it and certainly it helps Percy when he has customers like that. Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:17:19 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#cc1669bb-725d-458d-bc77-641bedb7c984 alan 2008-11-12T19:17:19Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#b9c7017b-43dc-4361-8ea0-1ba433ba4519 All good points Steve. Like I said, from everything, and I mean EVERYTHING I hear, Percy is 100% the real deal, and I don't pretend to know al the factors in the equation. Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:05:49 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#b9c7017b-43dc-4361-8ea0-1ba433ba4519 Jav 2008-11-12T16:05:49Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#5978bf3e-b71f-42a1-8db6-7b6fa2770e0d My personal belief is that there is no such thing as value in the abstract. A thing is worth what a willing buyer is willing to pay a willing seller for it. People who want to participate in ayahuasca ceremonies in the Amazon, I would guess, base their decision on whose ceremonies to attend on any number of factors -- the comfort of the accommodations (or otherwise, because some people like to rough it, with the accompanying bragging rights), the reputation of the shaman, past experience, reports of friends and acquaintances, price. If the price is raised too high for the other factors, Percy will lose business to cheaper healers. If he raises the price and people keep coming, then clearly he has priced his services correctly. Other factors are involved. Perhaps some people paying higher prices are subsidizing people to whom Percy gives a discount because they could not otherwise afford him. Perhaps some portion is going back into his community -- for example, allowing him more freedom to provide healing ceremonies or medicine for free to people in nearby villages. Perhaps higher prices allow him more free time to maintain or refine his skills -- for example, by giving him more time to follow la dieta in the jungle. Perhaps some is being ploughed back into capital improvements, such as more huts, or medicinal plants not available locally. If those are issues important in making a deision whether to use his services, then you can certainly ask him. -- Steve http://singingtotheplants.blogspot.com/ Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:40:58 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#5978bf3e-b71f-42a1-8db6-7b6fa2770e0d Steve 2008-11-12T15:40:58Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#a9d45412-2e62-4e55-87f9-aea9c2b482a0 > from everything I hear Percy is the real deal > His low prices are a main reason as to what made him seem so legitimate to me before Same here. Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:22:01 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#a9d45412-2e62-4e55-87f9-aea9c2b482a0 Dzikus 2008-11-12T15:22:01Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#78295722-b8ef-4ad3-aef7-033d2edd43d1 I'm not trying to be rude or anything, from everything I hear Percy is the real deal. But what it seems to me is going on is that he realized he could be making quite a bit more cash from this scenario. Which is fine too, just a little disappointing to me personally. His low prices are a main reason as to what made him seem so legitimate to me before. He may have built cabins and hired more people, but a 70% price increase is drastic anyway you cut it. Or at least, that's how it seems to me. :) Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:34:41 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#78295722-b8ef-4ad3-aef7-033d2edd43d1 Jav 2008-11-12T14:34:41Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#5556ad97-0bde-43e0-ac60-d73de8aa493b " Percy has been investing all his funds in building private cabinas with their own bathrooms... So yes, the price has changed and he has more people that he is responsible for... " A 70% rate increase? Wow........ Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:26:46 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#5556ad97-0bde-43e0-ac60-d73de8aa493b Jav 2008-11-12T14:26:46Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#9e6b31ff-9ab1-4af6-8238-edb6d01825ef ditto what they said. i never heard of such a thing ($100 per plus $300) Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:28:38 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#9e6b31ff-9ab1-4af6-8238-edb6d01825ef embrace 2008-11-12T13:28:38Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#8c0b8ea2-c67b-411d-a77b-d10ae106b12f $100 per experience is pretty steep for a peruvian price. $30-60 is more like it... Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:35:13 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#8c0b8ea2-c67b-411d-a77b-d10ae106b12f $item.owner.firstName 2008-11-12T07:35:13Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#2769a90e-6704-4d6c-838e-a569a594d1b1 Percy has been investing all his funds in building private cabinas with their own bathrooms... So yes, the price has changed and he has more people that he is responsible for... Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:37:26 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#2769a90e-6704-4d6c-838e-a569a594d1b1 alan 2008-11-11T03:37:26Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#cb1e6019-5e06-4c48-9d3d-3d08f2337393 100 per experience? In addition to the 300 a week? Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:43:56 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#cb1e6019-5e06-4c48-9d3d-3d08f2337393 *Richard 2008-11-11T00:43:56Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#63255b74-4211-409c-ac0a-fa56f394af96 If you're going to Southern Peru and Madre de Dios, I know some really great curanderos out there in the $100 per experience or $300 a week range. Also negotiable, depending on the level of comfort you demand. Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:01:26 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#63255b74-4211-409c-ac0a-fa56f394af96 Nick 2008-11-10T21:01:26Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#089ac117-83f0-4247-9cf0-6bed3e9a97c2 350 to 600? Wow.............. Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:03:02 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#089ac117-83f0-4247-9cf0-6bed3e9a97c2 Jav 2008-11-10T16:03:02Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#ab2a2d83-843c-4e0c-87dc-1dad205113c1 Percy has put in more private cabins now and has more of in infrastructure, more people working for him. the dollar was at 3.40 and dropped to 2.60, has been getting somewhat better now and seems to have leveled off at 3.05... Personally, I like sleeping in the ceremonial maloca... so if you choose not to have your own private cabin, you can get yet an even cheaper price... Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:45:17 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#ab2a2d83-843c-4e0c-87dc-1dad205113c1 alan 2008-11-10T15:45:17Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#cb9ff034-f5b5-4c63-acc1-2d01f7430d53 yes, just a few months ago he told me himself via email that she charged $300 a week and $1000 for a month. keep in mind though that many peruvian prices are open for negotiation and other facilities will charge as much as $800 for a week. Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:21:33 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#cb9ff034-f5b5-4c63-acc1-2d01f7430d53 $item.owner.firstName 2008-11-10T02:21:33Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#934755b3-4225-487c-a4f4-bc80203c1d6a The last time I heard, and it was a few months ago, he charged $350 per week (3 ceremonies included) or $50 per single ceremony. If what you're saying is true, that's quite a price hike (on top of that, count in the recent USD appreciation, depending on where you live - 25%-28% for the UK and Euro zone), but still less than most retreats. Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:01:36 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#934755b3-4225-487c-a4f4-bc80203c1d6a Dzikus 2008-11-09T13:01:36Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#6abcd7e4-5ffb-4e7c-85e1-8813041115d3 Percy has private cabins if booked in advance, I think he has 6 of them now... and always building more. He charges $600 per week, but that is his first price. For those that can't afford that, he works with you. Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:47:27 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#6abcd7e4-5ffb-4e7c-85e1-8813041115d3 alan 2008-11-09T03:47:27Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#193330a1-a6d6-4606-8fd8-9b8eba5839ec can you give us an idea of how much he charges? this seems to be the untransparent part. Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:04:55 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#193330a1-a6d6-4606-8fd8-9b8eba5839ec Omarsky 2008-11-08T23:04:55Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#3aa4378b-adb9-45fa-94b0-340a1b526e82 There are many excellent curanderos here around Iquitos but my best recommendation would be Percy Garcia. Humble, honest, transparent, beautiful compound with private cabins and the ceremonial maloca is built over a river, everything is screened in and he won't charge you an arm and a leg... Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:17:19 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#3aa4378b-adb9-45fa-94b0-340a1b526e82 alan 2008-11-08T21:17:19Z http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#e621932c-dbac-4c5a-834d-b09b99751d81 Hello everyone, I haven´t really been posting here but I was wondering if any of you could help me out. Im travelling up to Peru in a week and looking to do some therapeutic work with ayahuasca. has anyone had any recent experiences with the plant in peru that they would be willing to share? Basically, im looking for a reputable healer, its a very serious therapy to do with just anyone. ok, well, thank you for any info you can provide. peace kristin Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:14:30 GMT http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/d8ee91c4-efb1-4416-abf1-56d2a0471042#e621932c-dbac-4c5a-834d-b09b99751d81 Kristin 2008-11-08T18:14:30Z