Mother Aya's "Role" in Coming Earth Changes

topic posted Fri, August 29, 2008 - 6:29 PM by  Molly Helene
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I am interested in starting a dialogue on what are your insights, dreams, hunches, etc. on the role Aya has regarding the prophecied Earth changes. Anyone?

Love beams shining at to y'all!
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    Fri, August 29, 2008 - 9:33 PM
    I'm sure many will speak here to their belief in Mother Ayahuasca taking action towards this physical world and its biosphere. I also feel that this is possible, but I wish to be careful and not think naively.

    Like many here, I've had an intense personal encounter with Mother, and I'm sure we will hear many excellent testimonials to Her power in this regard, but I'm a philosopher and a happy questioner about things. Some of my musings about this are probably too conservative for some here, but I follow the shamanic warrior path - I believe in everything and believe in nothing. I'm interested in the question "What is Real?" and how we actually determine it. That's why I went to the Amazon to see for myself.

    Personally, based on my own experience, I believe that Mother Ayahuasca is a real, non-human spirit entity who is not only interested in us as beings, but supportive, prone to teach, quick to correct us, and far beyond all else, She actually and truly loves us. This is why we name her Mother. I say this because that is what I received from her - a personal testimony, not measurable in any reductionist or empirical way. Shamanic.

    If She appears to the world at large and affects the world in a non-subjective manner, then new levels of assessment come into play.
    So, besides just stating, "Yes, I believe it is happening," I wonder how the mundane world will see such a thing and at what point they would realize something non-ordinary and astonishing is responsible for it. I wonder at what point and by what measure will we be able to point out to someone who is unaware of Mother Ayahuasca, that this is what is happening and why, and at what point will I myself be able to assign certain things to her beyond my own hopes and general impressions?

    How, exactly, will She act? Directly like a mighty god warrior, or indirectly, perhaps through us? If indirectly, will it be measurable? If indirectly, will we be able to ascribe what is Her action and what is our own? Does it matter if we can measure or ascribe it to Her? If a huge cataclysm or earth change happened now, there would be more people claiming it to be the work of God, Mohammed, Satan, "Gaia" or some other force or spirit than would claim it to be the direct effect of the spirit we name Mother Ayahuasca, for She is not as well known. Is She only one face or facet of the Greater Being that contains all?

    All could be right, of course! But that begs the question of who or what this Spirit is and what are it's intentions for us here in the mundane world. If you say you know, I say that is fine, but it is subjective and it is knowable only in a shamanic manner (personal direct experience). I'm afraid that anything beyond that right now is speculation or projection, well meaning or no.

    BTW, I personally believe She is an independent Spirit being, but I'm not certain if She intends to work outside the Ayahuasca interface.

    Blessings and Light!
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    Fri, August 29, 2008 - 11:50 PM
    Personally, I think many of the prophesied changes won't happen with or without Aya.
    But we are in for a lot of changes.
    Aya's role? To wake people up. Maybe to wake us up enough to start a chain reaction of awakenings and get the hairless monkeys to turn into humans and stop destroying ours and her kingdom's home.

    That would be enough for me.
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      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 8:49 AM
      right on Richard
      important to remember that the world does not need to change, only we humans do
      the main thing is the we reintegrate ourselves into life here on this planet and we stop pretending that we are separate from everything else - no better way to accomplish that than Aya' all around!
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    Sat, August 30, 2008 - 8:49 AM
    What I saw in a dream and pray will become reality.

    A reconnecting to the spirit for mankind.
    A realisation that we have great potential and great responsibility.
    New forms of communication in the long run.
    A speeding of evolution.
    A new magic era.
    A celebration of diversity.
    A new freedom of expression.
    A renaissance for Africa.
    New diseases, new cures.
    New wisdom,. new sages and wizards.
    Ancient wisdom, ancient sages and wizards.

    Peace

    GEert

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      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 9:19 AM
      I'm a bit of a cynic sometimes myself, and I think all this new age hocus pocus about the dawning of the age of asparagus may have been massively misunderstood by people. I think it's just as likely, more likely in fact, that the big change that's coming is humanity blowing itself to smithereens, leaving behind a very small population of humans. I just don't see humanity on track towards some great coming together that somehow miraculously manifests itself in 4 years!

      I remember in 96 I was in a new age bookstore where they had this huge map on the wall of what the world was gonna look like in 2001 after all the ice had melted and the waters had flooded just about everything.....oops, guess that one didn't pan out so much.

      All prophesy is self-fulfilling prophecy, you just need serious mass momentum to make it happen. And yes, lots of folks out there today are opening up, but in my perhaps jaded and buzz-killing opinion, there's just not enough momentum in comparison to you know, wars in Iraq, potentially Iran, Russia vs Georgia, Chinese human rights abuses, mass famine in India and Africa, mass corruption in Latin America....but like I said, I'm a buzzkill when I say what I really think.

      Love you all! :)
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        Sat, August 30, 2008 - 9:31 AM
        Hey Jay

        You could ask yourself what you add to the self-fulling prophecy with a cynic attitude.
        That does create a cynic society, which I think is spreading like a virus.
        It is what you do day to day. To apply what you have learned from your visions in real life. That is wisdom.
        I think the more people opening up, the more people want to live a better conscious lifestyle.
        That's fashion and trends for ya.... "Livin' a lifestyle.." But nothing is more true.
        When you are conscious and take responsibility and are not afraid to share and pass on information the more you will be a help for the cause.

        I'm no believer in all the 2012 prophecies... life will continue, but I do feel a change in overall awareness.
        More and more people are standing up that no longer take crap from governments.
        Unfortunately, people have gotten used to easyness and decadence so it's hard to take a step back.
        What do you really need... that is a question that rings through my head constantly... and when you get right down to it you know what you need.
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          Sat, August 30, 2008 - 10:48 AM
          seriously, though, i wonder which prophesised earth changes we are talking about here.

          the hopi prophecies that state that the kind-hearted shall inherit the earth?

          i think that ayahuasca is teaching us how to care for the earth as she changes by becoming empathic towards the earth as a living being.


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          Sat, August 30, 2008 - 1:28 PM
          Thing is, I never or rarely open my mouth about this cyncism. In fact, in my day to day existence I like to think I bring quite a bit of positivity towards the world. Ask anyone I know on here; I rarely emit negative energy, and when Im feeling that way I keep it to myself. Im also doing as much in my life to bring about the kind of changes that I want to see in the world.

          Im just tired of hearing people talk about 2012 like somehow someones gonna wave a magical wand and all of a sudden we are gonna be living back in the garden of Eden. Sitting around twiddling your thumbs waiting for a magical date wont get you anywhere, or at least, I dont think so.

          Here, now. Thats when the change happens. If it doesnt happen here, now, then odds are it never will....
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            Sat, August 30, 2008 - 3:49 PM
            I agree. Change comes from within, our point of power is now. . .

            However, I can certainly fancy the thought of that ol' magic wand being wave and *poof!* all the evangelical, fundamentalist, war mongering, human rights violating, habitat destroying, self-righteous, etc. etc. peeps suddenly disappear, miraculously raptured to their own private place!

            Ha Ha!

            (Although, in all likelihood, me with all my foibles would be sucked "up" there with them... oh no!).
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    Sat, August 30, 2008 - 10:57 AM
    Mmmm, I too tend towards cynicism at times. I have great hope in my heart, and understand that critical mass can occur with a large enough minority. However, with the overwhelming impact we anthropocentric humans are having on our planet with rampant consumption and waste, exponential population growth, and devastating loss of habitat and biodiversity, I wonder if we humans are just arrogant enough to think it is all about us. I believe the elemental and spirit masters of plants, place and force are guiding ALL of us, that is, all of our plant, fungi, animal, human, mineral, elemental and spirit brothers and sisters, if we are receptive.

    I do believe there is great human potential to generate amazing results through intention, concentrated thought/imagination, and a conducive emotional feeling tone. We have the capacity for great results in human evolvement. With the worldwide multi-cultural/multi-discipline connection we humans have now so readily provided by the internet and other media, there is a phenomenal connectivity for sharing of ideas, insights, and patterns for change. That being said, there is also a tremendous overload of information, much of it trite, that bog so many people down to the point of overwhelm and resigned complacency.

    So what is my point? I don't know, I am just rambling. For me personally, I can easily focus on the impact we humans are having on our Mama Earth and her children, and feel distraught over the loss of so many species and the terrible pollution we have caused, or I can focus on where my visions, guides and heart shine on, which, when I hold my light there, is a multi-dimensional place of shining beauty and spiritual growth. Don't get me wrong, I do continue to strive to walk gently on our Mama, and be the change I see us evolving to.

    I feel Mama Aya pulling me to her, perhaps to teach me to embrace myself and the world, with all our frailties, darkness and grief, from a place of greater understanding and compassion so that I may hold the light of my vision stronger from that place of shining beauty.

    - Molicita

    Side note - the sacred vine is part of the plant family Fabaceae, the pea family which has demonstrated a fantastic ability to adapt. Many in the Fabaceae are nitrogen fixing plants, that is they live in partnership with fungi to fix nitrogen in the soil. Fabaceae has adapted to grow in the water, to live as a vine, a tree, and myriad other forms. This family has species which can also be highly invasive. My point here is that here is a family of species that will survive on this planet in all likelihood much longer than we humans will. The fact that the Master Spirit of Aya is willing to teach and guide us humans, is, to me, a display of tremendous compassion, since really, I don't think Fabaceae needs us for their survival.
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      Sat, August 30, 2008 - 3:58 PM
      they certainly do not need us for their survival but they need us to not destroy them
      The Gaian Mother and the ancient Plant MInd of this planet want to join with us and our human consciousness, technology and our hands in an alliance for the protection and continued growth of DNA life on our planet. If this alliance is not made, we humans we soon create a new consciousness that will go on to destroy all DNA life on this planet from the depth of the oceans to the heights of our atmosphere - everything such that if and when aliens finally do show up, they will find only a lifeless rock, like mars, third rock from the sun ...
      It is only the wisdom of the Plant MInd that can save us - our own animal consciousness leads us to our doom
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        Sat, August 30, 2008 - 5:41 PM
        "they certainly do not need us for their survival but they need us to not destroy them"

        So true.
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          Sun, August 31, 2008 - 1:39 AM
          I admittedly, with a bit of paranoia, am nervous of the coming changes, and that I may not get the opportunity to prepare myself through Her before those changes occur.
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            Sun, August 31, 2008 - 1:47 AM
            Get to work
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              Sun, August 31, 2008 - 10:02 AM
              I don't think I have time to start a new career and get going again where I am now, save up, and then move to a place where that's likely. So, with a crumby situation im already in, I think I will bum (or bus, if I can manage) my way down to San Francisco. There are a great number of reasons, but mainly I need to stop relying on money, get my butt down there and have faith ayahuasca will find me there.
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                Sun, August 31, 2008 - 4:57 PM
                SF is not where you want to be when shit hits the fan...........

                I mean,

                SF is already pretty fucked right now.
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                  Mon, September 1, 2008 - 5:28 PM
                  Admittedly, if I had the means, I would be in South America, and I know SF would not be the best place to be when the "shit" hits the fan, but I think I have time to get their and start what I have been intending too, and then move out (South) from there, when the time is right.
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                    Mon, September 1, 2008 - 7:29 PM
                    Hey man, if San Fran is calling your name then that's exactly where you need to be. Seriously, making decisions based on "when the shit is going to hit the fan" just seems, well....premature to me. Go where you gotta be, and be how you want to be, here, now.

                    :)
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                      Mon, September 1, 2008 - 7:36 PM
                      Premature, eh?

                      Just watch what happens to SF in the next few years if you don't want to believe me now, you'll see . .
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                        Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:12 PM
                        <Just watch what happens to SF in the next few years if you don't want to believe me now, you'll see . . >

                        So are we talking 2010? 2012? How many years is "a few?" And so long as you're prophesying, care to elaborate on what, specifically, may / will happen in SF? I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and include "SF Bay Area."
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                        Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:12 PM
                        Okey dokey, I'll bring the popcorn!
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                          Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:15 PM
                          this is a good little tune I always like by the Grateful Dead called Estimated Prophet:

                          My time coming, any day, don't worry bout me, no
                          Been so long I felt this way, ain't in no hurry, no
                          Rainbows end down that highway where ocean breezes blow
                          My time coming, voices saying, they tell me where to go

                          Don't worry bout me, no no, don't worry bout me, no
                          And I'm in no hurry, no no no, I know where to go.

                          California, preaching on the burning shore
                          California, I'll be knocking on the golden door
                          Like an angel, standing in a shaft of light
                          Rising up to paradise, I know I'm gonna shine

                          My time coming, anyday, don't worry bout me, no
                          It's gonna be just like they say, them voices tell me so
                          Seems so long I felt this way and time sure passin' slow
                          Still I know I lead the way, they tell me where I go

                          Don't worry bout me, no no, don't worry bout me, no
                          And I'm in no hurry, no no no, I know where to go

                          California, a prophet on the burning shore
                          California, I'll be knocking on the golden door
                          Like an angel, standing in a shaft of light
                          Rising up to paradise, I know I'm gonna shine

                          You've all been asleep,
                          You would not believe me
                          Them voices telling me,
                          You will soon receive me
                          We're standing on the beach,
                          The sea will part before me
                          (Fire wheel burning in the air)
                          And you will follow me,
                          And we will ride to glory
                          (Way up the middle of the air)

                          And I'll call down thunder
                          And speak the same
                          And my word fills the sky with flame
                          And might and glory gonna be my name
                          And men gonna light my way

                          My time coming, anyday, don't worry bout me, no
                          It's gonna be just like they say, them voices tell me so
                          Seems so long I felt this way and time sure passin slow
                          My time coming, anyday, don't worry about me, no

                          Don't worry about me...




                          Besides, my point is not what will or won't happen, it's what are you doing right now? right here?
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                          Re: Mother Aya's "Role" in Coming Earth Changes

                          Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:18 PM
                          Have any of you walked around there recently?

                          Can any of you allow the future to leak in?

                          Time is not a straight line, which I'm sure many of you are aware of.

                          I never considered myself a prophet, I don't really like that word

                          but I've definitely seen things before they happen.

                          Mostly with feelings. It's hard to explain.

                          To me it's dead obvious and inevitable.

                          I can see why a lot of people would laugh and bring popcorn and have a good time. That's good. Be +.

                          I hate being negative.

                          SF is going down, though.

                          Peace
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                            Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:19 PM
                            A little note on the above song:

                            "According to Weir, he and Barlow wrote the song from the perspective of a crazy, messianic zealot, a type which one invariably encounters in Deadhead crowds now and again. As Weire explains: 'The basis of it is this guy I see at nearly every backstage door. There's always some guy who's TAKEN A LOT OF DOPE AND HE'S REALLY BUG-EYED, AND HE'S HAVING SOME KIND OF VISION. HE'S GOT A RAVE AND HE'S GOT TO DELIVER.' In Estimated Prophet, the psychopath claims 'My time comin' any day, don't worry about me,' and Weir essentially lets him rave."

                            Emphasis mine.....
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                              Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:22 PM
                              You work with aya
                              and you don't believe in seeing things before they happen?

                              Open up, bro

                              try it some time.

                              Never had any prophetic dreams that came true?

                              sorry. go ahead and make fun.
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                                Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:26 PM
                                Spreading fear-mongering doesn't seem like a really good way to achieve any sort of change. Living your life based on some apocalyptic could be doesn't really seem the best way to achieve change either. Maybe you should open up to the possibilities contained in living your life here, now.

                                Have you ever read Stan Grof? Guy worked with about 5,000+ patients in deep LSD sessions before it was made illegal. Seems apocalyptic visions aren't an entirely uncommon scenario when working in deep inner space......maybe, just maybe those things are also representations of internal processes.....can you open up to that possibility?
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                                  Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:30 PM
                                  I can. You don't need to be condescending.

                                  I've had more than dozens of instances in dreams that come true either the next day, months, or years afterward.

                                  You havn't?
                                  lot's of people don't . .

                                  I just got back from SF...walking around those streets
                                  the spirits told me to get out.

                                  It's inevitable that that city goes down...do you know what happened at the beginning of the century?
                                  Everything they built was completely leveled.
                                  But...the monkeys rebuilt anyway.

                                  You want to believe that san francisco is safe....go right ahead.

                                  it isn't.


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                                    Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:34 PM
                                    Clearly you're not reading my posts, so I'll repeat myself:

                                    Besides, my point is not what will or won't happen, it's what are you doing right now? right here?
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                                      Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:38 PM
                                      I read your posts....
                                      Why are you being so condescending toward me?

                                      I was just telling you what I thought.
                                      Ok, you don't agree.

                                      I am always living in the moment. I spent this whole year just bumming around the states, bro. checking out my country . .

                                      I can tap into the past, and the future, in the moment.
                                      Believe it or not. everything has already happened . .
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                      Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:39 PM
                      Thanks man, and thats the reason I am not rushing to south Cali or arizona or NM or something like that...if shit hit the fan I think those would be better places to be (weather wise), but my spirit needs me to go this place (even if it means giving up a certain comfort Ive been fortunate to know nearly my whole life). There are things there I feel (and know) I have been waiting for, for a long time.

                      The weather will come when it comes, and it will come again and again. BUT my SPIRIT is constant, and has endured the weather before, and it needs some attention, right now.
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                        Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:41 PM
                        I feel you . .

                        my spirit had to go there too

                        and quickly decided to abort.

                        I wasn't trying to scare anyone...........it's just inevitable.
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                          Mon, September 1, 2008 - 8:45 PM
                          Look ik, I'm sorry, seriously. I'm not trying to be condescending. I just think, you know, if you knew you were gonna die tomorrow how would you spend your last day? Worrying? Or living life to the max? And if you knew someone else was going to die tomorrow, but you also saw that they were living their life to the fullest, would you want them to live the remainder of their time in fear, or would you try to encourage them to live out every moment to the max?

                          I do apologize about the condescension, not trying to be rude. Momentary communicational difficulties is all.

                          Blessings to you.
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                            Mon, September 1, 2008 - 9:06 PM
                            When I was very young
                            I became so feverish and delusional that I believed I had these tasks to accomplish in a certain amount of time, and if I could not complete them, I would die---
                            This was my first taste of death.
                            Impending death. I knew I could not survive.
                            I've kept this feeling close by every day of my life, as a reminder.

                            Those are good questions, but there are too many variables.
                            What if you could prevent the death?

                            Ayahuasca has taught me about the evil in this world.
                            It's function, and how it moves throughout the Earth.

                            I just see very bad things happening in California. I can't help it.
                            I must be insane . .

                            I seriously hope I am wrong all the time. I'm not trying to prove anything. Just sharing my thoughts.
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                              Mon, September 1, 2008 - 9:11 PM
                              "What if you could prevent the death?"

                              Why would you want to? Maybe that death is a necessary component in the process. I mean, sure, we all try to cheat death a little bit, but in the long run 'death don't have no mercy in this land'

                              Maybe our society could use a little death, no rebirth without it after all.....

                              To butcher a Nietzche quote:

                              How can you wish to rise like the Phoenix if you refuse to burn to ashes?

                              :)
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                                Mon, September 1, 2008 - 9:22 PM
                                Solve et coagula, I am all for that.
                                Destroy to recreate.

                                I believe free will is a newer human ability that occurs when one thinks about their own thoughts . .

                                And Richard,
                                I've never known when anything was going to happen. I can just tell if these things happened in the past, or the future, by the way things look.

                                There is no schedule, I guess. Just now, like Jay said.
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                              Mon, September 1, 2008 - 9:21 PM
                              riding that wheel....

                              "The wheel is turning
                              and you can't slow down
                              You can't let go
                              and you can't hold on
                              You can't go back
                              and you can't stand still
                              If the thunder don't get you
                              then the lightning will

                              Small wheel turn by the fire and rod
                              Big wheel turn by the grace of God
                              Everytime that wheel turn round
                              bound to cover just a little more ground"

                              i dont know why i though of this song, probably just jav' putting the dead in my head.

                              so it goes down.... C'est la vie....
                              it will make a nice state park someday....
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                    Tue, September 2, 2008 - 10:08 AM
                    Listen to your inner wisdom. You will be exactly where you need to be, when you need to be there. You are an eternal, immortal and universal being. There is much Work to be done, all over the planet. Including urban areas. Perhaps your soul calls to be riding the crest of a tremendous wave. If the so called "shit hits the fan", wherever you are is perfect.

                    Whatever the prophecy is that your mind is pulled by, know that fear will not serve you. Trust in source. Stay in your light. Prophecies are meant to give guidance. They are not absolute Truths. They are subject to interpretations, some erroneous. Possibilities and probabilities. Freedom of choice. Free will.

                    Peace.

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