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sorry if this is a bit lengthy, i thought i might share a recent experience i had in ceremony with percy garcia. its because of this forum and the great reviews i have gotten that inspired me to drink with percy the other night, so here it is:
i have been in iquitos, peru for about a week now. i figured that while i was here, i might as well drink ayahuasca with the famous curandero, percy garcia.
i met up with alan shoemaker at his place on wednesday to connect. his house, filled with interesting books on entheogens, shamanism and travel, had a genuine feel of a welcoming family home. he gtreeted us kindly and we sat down in his office surrounded by drawers and drawers of pressed jungle plants and began to converse.
"so, you want to drink with percy," he began.
i can stop right here and say that i dont normally seek out medicine in this manner. hunting down curanderos in the jungle like theyre food. infact, i usually wait for the opportunity to come to me. but after being a part of the ayahuasca forum on this site for almost 2 years now and hearing dozens of dazzling reviews on the integrity of his work and the quality of his work environment, i had to experience the ethics of percy garcia. i had a little spare time anyway.
so we arranged to be picked up at alans place the day of the ceremony. when percy showed up, i felt a comfortable sense of normalcy that neither impressed nor detracted me, and took it to be a sign that i was in good hands. no mumbo-jumbo. a real human being with no delusions of grandeur.
it took about 45 minutes to make it out to the center. the first thing i noticed about the DIos Ayahuasca center was the thick slices of wood that had been placed on the walkway. they had been crafted for the delicated-footed people, to prevent slipping and falling in the inevitable mud when the rain comes, a thoughtful idea for sure.
the second thing i noticed was the feng shui of the place. the maloca had been build directly over a lightly running stream, with a porch going all the way around it, and a bridge connecting it to two (very clean) bathrooms on either side. the various doorways to exit and enter the maloca made for great navigation around the place, and the screens gave a feel of safety from the elements of the jungle.
i fell asleep right away. i dreamed i was completely naked, standing before a dark-skinned man with glasses on who gave out the same professionalism and seriousness that percy does. i assumed it was him. he asked me various questions about my health, my family history and my background, filling in the informaiton in a little notebook on his lap.
when i woke up, it was time for the ceremony. percy sat at his tall, wooden chair with towering altar. despite the height of his chair, i still felt quite equal to him. then carlos, his assistant, sat at his shorter, but identically shaped chair, in front of his shorter and similar-looking altar.
"its like mini-me from autstin powers," my friend commented later.
we began the ceremony. his ayahuasca tasted incredibly sweet.
"te gusta mi ayahuasca?" percy asked when he saw the smile on my face after drinking.
i nodded and he smirked in carlos' direction.
"es por el azucar," he said, chuckling.
"sugar?" i lifted my eyebrows, following his obvious joke.
"no, no puedo decir que pongo en mi medicina," said percy, grinning grandly.
i nodded. then it must be good stuff. some of the best things are kept secret.
i sat down. the icaros started quickly. they were simple, skilled and short, compared to what i am used to.
i lie down. it was one fo rthie first times in a while that i had taken the opportunity to simply relax during ceremony and just watch my visions. my body ached. my back was killing me as the medicine moved through my stomach, my intestines and my bladder, grinding and churning inside me.
this went on for about an hour. i purged once and lie back down, this time involved in a deep meditation. overwhelmed with sadness in my heart froma recent expereince, i watched my relationshipo with someone close to me morph and change into something different. i greived the loss of what was before.
percy continued singing. then a tunnel opened in my mind to the future. i saw myself, with a wash basin in front of me, dousing my clients in a water and perfume. the medicine listed off all the plants to put into the mixture and gave instructions for how to apply it.
ok. i will make note of that. the icaros continued for just a little longer, and soon carlos came to give me my limpia. peaceful.
then we drank a little more medicine, and the ceremony was open up for others to sing. percy and carlos left.
i sang an icaro i had learned while alone at the maloca in tarapoto a few months back, and then got up to go to the bathroom. percy and carlos were standing in the walkway, and after i passed them i heard percys deep voice calling after me.
"yes?" i managed to say, despite my dizziness with the ayahuasca.
"bonito tu icaro."
his compliment was clearly sincere, and i felt a rush of confidence trickle over me. the famous percy liked my icaro. i decided it was ok to pat myself on the back for that one.
i re entered the maloca and the energy was thick. people were expressing their proccesses in slightly irritating audible sounds, so i lay back down, feeling the effects of my second dose of ayahuasca.
after a little bit, i heard someone approaching me.
"are you sleeping?" andrew asked.
"not really, i said," sitting up.
"i have something to show you," he said, taking my hand and putting it on his heart. it was pounding hard.
i closed my eyes and felt the force exiting from his body. it was pink and blue, radiating the peace of pure, unconditional love.
"is that too intense?" he asked.
it surely wasnt. i sunk my hand into his chest, taking all that compassion in, until i was completely full. bursting, infact.
"you can sing it, " he whispered.
funny, that was just what i had been thinking.
the sounds came, and as they did, i felt the people in the ceremony responding to it differently than the previous song. they were recieving the prayers more quickly. more effectively.
"this is how your prayers can be when you have true love by your side. when you know that you are truly loved." the medicine told me.
ten times more effective. i meditated on that later and i recalled that the times when i felt loved deeply, by someone or something, my service and songs were so much more powerful.
after chatting and singing a little more, we all fell asleep. i dreamed of water flooding my home, which seemed appropriate, given that i was sleeping over a river.
so that was it. we left quickly the next morning, bidding goodbye to percy and his father, while we walked over the wooden stumps once again, back to iquitos.
another learing expereince to put into the files of my spirit..
namaste.
i have been in iquitos, peru for about a week now. i figured that while i was here, i might as well drink ayahuasca with the famous curandero, percy garcia.
i met up with alan shoemaker at his place on wednesday to connect. his house, filled with interesting books on entheogens, shamanism and travel, had a genuine feel of a welcoming family home. he gtreeted us kindly and we sat down in his office surrounded by drawers and drawers of pressed jungle plants and began to converse.
"so, you want to drink with percy," he began.
i can stop right here and say that i dont normally seek out medicine in this manner. hunting down curanderos in the jungle like theyre food. infact, i usually wait for the opportunity to come to me. but after being a part of the ayahuasca forum on this site for almost 2 years now and hearing dozens of dazzling reviews on the integrity of his work and the quality of his work environment, i had to experience the ethics of percy garcia. i had a little spare time anyway.
so we arranged to be picked up at alans place the day of the ceremony. when percy showed up, i felt a comfortable sense of normalcy that neither impressed nor detracted me, and took it to be a sign that i was in good hands. no mumbo-jumbo. a real human being with no delusions of grandeur.
it took about 45 minutes to make it out to the center. the first thing i noticed about the DIos Ayahuasca center was the thick slices of wood that had been placed on the walkway. they had been crafted for the delicated-footed people, to prevent slipping and falling in the inevitable mud when the rain comes, a thoughtful idea for sure.
the second thing i noticed was the feng shui of the place. the maloca had been build directly over a lightly running stream, with a porch going all the way around it, and a bridge connecting it to two (very clean) bathrooms on either side. the various doorways to exit and enter the maloca made for great navigation around the place, and the screens gave a feel of safety from the elements of the jungle.
i fell asleep right away. i dreamed i was completely naked, standing before a dark-skinned man with glasses on who gave out the same professionalism and seriousness that percy does. i assumed it was him. he asked me various questions about my health, my family history and my background, filling in the informaiton in a little notebook on his lap.
when i woke up, it was time for the ceremony. percy sat at his tall, wooden chair with towering altar. despite the height of his chair, i still felt quite equal to him. then carlos, his assistant, sat at his shorter, but identically shaped chair, in front of his shorter and similar-looking altar.
"its like mini-me from autstin powers," my friend commented later.
we began the ceremony. his ayahuasca tasted incredibly sweet.
"te gusta mi ayahuasca?" percy asked when he saw the smile on my face after drinking.
i nodded and he smirked in carlos' direction.
"es por el azucar," he said, chuckling.
"sugar?" i lifted my eyebrows, following his obvious joke.
"no, no puedo decir que pongo en mi medicina," said percy, grinning grandly.
i nodded. then it must be good stuff. some of the best things are kept secret.
i sat down. the icaros started quickly. they were simple, skilled and short, compared to what i am used to.
i lie down. it was one fo rthie first times in a while that i had taken the opportunity to simply relax during ceremony and just watch my visions. my body ached. my back was killing me as the medicine moved through my stomach, my intestines and my bladder, grinding and churning inside me.
this went on for about an hour. i purged once and lie back down, this time involved in a deep meditation. overwhelmed with sadness in my heart froma recent expereince, i watched my relationshipo with someone close to me morph and change into something different. i greived the loss of what was before.
percy continued singing. then a tunnel opened in my mind to the future. i saw myself, with a wash basin in front of me, dousing my clients in a water and perfume. the medicine listed off all the plants to put into the mixture and gave instructions for how to apply it.
ok. i will make note of that. the icaros continued for just a little longer, and soon carlos came to give me my limpia. peaceful.
then we drank a little more medicine, and the ceremony was open up for others to sing. percy and carlos left.
i sang an icaro i had learned while alone at the maloca in tarapoto a few months back, and then got up to go to the bathroom. percy and carlos were standing in the walkway, and after i passed them i heard percys deep voice calling after me.
"yes?" i managed to say, despite my dizziness with the ayahuasca.
"bonito tu icaro."
his compliment was clearly sincere, and i felt a rush of confidence trickle over me. the famous percy liked my icaro. i decided it was ok to pat myself on the back for that one.
i re entered the maloca and the energy was thick. people were expressing their proccesses in slightly irritating audible sounds, so i lay back down, feeling the effects of my second dose of ayahuasca.
after a little bit, i heard someone approaching me.
"are you sleeping?" andrew asked.
"not really, i said," sitting up.
"i have something to show you," he said, taking my hand and putting it on his heart. it was pounding hard.
i closed my eyes and felt the force exiting from his body. it was pink and blue, radiating the peace of pure, unconditional love.
"is that too intense?" he asked.
it surely wasnt. i sunk my hand into his chest, taking all that compassion in, until i was completely full. bursting, infact.
"you can sing it, " he whispered.
funny, that was just what i had been thinking.
the sounds came, and as they did, i felt the people in the ceremony responding to it differently than the previous song. they were recieving the prayers more quickly. more effectively.
"this is how your prayers can be when you have true love by your side. when you know that you are truly loved." the medicine told me.
ten times more effective. i meditated on that later and i recalled that the times when i felt loved deeply, by someone or something, my service and songs were so much more powerful.
after chatting and singing a little more, we all fell asleep. i dreamed of water flooding my home, which seemed appropriate, given that i was sleeping over a river.
so that was it. we left quickly the next morning, bidding goodbye to percy and his father, while we walked over the wooden stumps once again, back to iquitos.
another learing expereince to put into the files of my spirit..
namaste.
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Sun, March 15, 2009 - 9:59 AMIt is well known that putting cane sugar or honey in Ayahuasca makes for a very potent brew'
So did the brew taste of sugar or was it just a sweet bitter tea ?
Blissings
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:12 AMThanks for your excellent account.
Blessings!
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Sun, March 15, 2009 - 1:50 PMnuboni, i think he was joking about the sugar.
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Sun, March 15, 2009 - 1:51 PMit tasted more plantlike than a brew with honey or sugar...
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Fri, March 20, 2009 - 11:12 AMOf course, we can´t forget the possibility of magic. Nothing like opening a fresh bottle of water and finding it sweet as fruit juice :)
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Sun, March 15, 2009 - 2:51 PMThanks for sharing, Rebecca.
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Sun, March 15, 2009 - 7:07 PMthe words' spreading like wildfire... -
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Sun, March 15, 2009 - 8:26 PMPercy has some other medicinal plants that he puts in his medicina so it's not so acrid.... Certainly it's not sugar or honey, they are medicinal plants. -
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Sun, March 15, 2009 - 11:01 PMNice one rebecca'
Any names at all Allan' would be good to know'
Many blessings and good energies to you'
Keep up the good work rebecca'
Blessings
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Mon, March 16, 2009 - 11:00 PMThank-you for sharing -
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Tue, March 17, 2009 - 7:25 AMI wouldn't actually classify it as "sweet"... but it's not as acrid as typical aya. He's not very forthcoming about what plant he adds and so I don't push it...
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Tue, March 17, 2009 - 7:48 AMI wish he was more forthcoming. I have a problem with secrecy in this area and personally always ask what is in any medicine i might consider taking. i won't do secret recipes nor would I ever consider personally refusing to answer such a question if it were put to me. Anyway, in my experience the how is often as important as the what. The how I could see keeping secret, but the what just doesn't seem right. -
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Tue, March 17, 2009 - 8:34 AMI always consider of what I partake of'
If they have no picture' no name' I shall refuse to drink'
My reasoning'
No matter of what good intentions are shown'
I have no clue of the alkaloids that have been infused in with the bitter tea'
I use moderate amounts of "Toe" for myself' it increases the properties of the vine'
You get this brew "Incorrect" you cause of pain'
You get the combo correct' beauty shall behold you'
In the jungle' "Curanderos" have access to many number of plants'
Each having their own alkaloid assay'
I dink my own tea' becasue I know of what is in it'
If the brew tastes' at first glance like "sugar" then it is no' "Harmine" "Tetrohydroharmine" + plus spice'
It is something else'
So questions answered would only seem appropriate'
You would be a "Fool" to drink of a brew' you had no clue of what it contains'
All by trust' and word of mouth is no enough'
If you drink a brew of which you have no clue of what "plants" made the brew'
Then' you risk "frying" your psychi'
Instead of "Teaching'
The only brew I shall drink' is one I made myself'
Stuff'
Allowing someone else to brew my tea'
What do they know about the chemistry of my body'
Simple stuff'
"Unless you love being "Manipulated" by someone else'
I give you blessings'
And pray'
"Your' "Limpia" is' "Antedote"
If no'
Tread lightly'
I have seen results'
Of folks seeking something they can no handle'
Be safe'
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Tue, March 17, 2009 - 9:19 AMI do have to add that I once drank Percy's medicine and it was good. Nothing against him at all, just that i don't like "secrets" in regards to medicines. -
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Tue, March 17, 2009 - 10:46 AMIf Percy has figured out a way to make his aya not so untasty and he wants to keep that to himself, that's absolutely fine with me. -
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Tue, March 17, 2009 - 11:59 AMThanks Rebecca, and I hope one day to hear you sing.
When I sing in ceremony this is what it feels like for me....
Still here.
While it's quietly surrounding me,
Still present,
though this other feeling,
and being, is present here,
Still myself,
only lightly robed with this other self,
More somehow,
but still here.
My choice to hold the song,
even though this is what it brings,
allowing what it brings to be,
and I am still here,
letting what the song brings move through me,
giving the hymn it's being in me,
and still I sing,
while it works it's way through me,
holding the song with my voice,
giving it's voice permission to move through me.
Letting come what the song brings,
letting be what shakes and quakes within me,
holding still my voice in the hymn,
while it's force and power breath and blow through me,
I give my body to the song,
and I sing,
I give the song to my self,
and let it stroll and dance inside me,
making new,
shaking free,
quaking me,
and still I'm here,
still myself,
as the tide comes and goes within me,
still myself,
as the song spins and bears down and gives birth,
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Tue, March 17, 2009 - 1:07 PMi did a dieta with percy last year and watched a lady follow him around with a notepad asking what he puts in his medicine, how much, question after question after question...she was obviously being very annoying but he was polite and told her about some of the plants he works with...later on i asked him if he got tired of people treating him like an online search engine and he laughed and asked if i was going to ask him a bunch of questions. i thought about it and then realized, it has taken him a lifetime to learn what he's learned, a life of walking around in the jungle, brewing medicine, suffering through shamanic trials and sacrificing a lot of things most of us consider essential to a happy human life, i.e. food, sex etc.
i realize there are cultural differences regarding learning and teaching, for someone to just show up for one ceremony with a notepad and start demanding facts and data is very much like aliens invading the planet and wanting to dissect our brains in my opinion.
i say its personal choice and intuition if you want to trust someone to give you a safe experience, and doing some homework online and asking around before you even leave home is a great idea...but for most who go to peru to experience ayahuasca, drilling a curandero about facts and figures doesn't really mean much because knowing how these plants are going to interact with you personally is a trial and error experience.
of course, don't give your power away, but if you have done your homework as well as you can, know the possible risks, have several good trusted reccomendations for a curandero and get a really good vibe off him, i say you have a better chance of getting a safe healing experience than if you go into a north american hospital and trust them to give you the 'right stuff'.
my experience with percy was that he shared his information and knowledge very eagerly but also made it very clear that dieting and experiencing the medicine was the only path to any real knowledge, and after a diet there i am totally in agreement.
there are those such as nobu that are both knowledgeable and experienced with plant medicines and obviously at a certain point you begin to take more and more responsibility for your path, but i dont think new initiates should be too suspicious and demanding about a curandero giving them a lot of information which ultimately they have no context for and will most likely be meaningless until much later in the apprenticeship.
be safe but be open.
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Tue, March 17, 2009 - 3:16 PMAlan said :- they are medicinal plants'
a way to make his aya not so untasty'
So the plants added are medicine and work the bitter tea'
Or the plants added have no use' other than to disguise taste'
Mmmmmh' secrets'
Taste is an aquired thing'
The medicine is in the molecules of the plants used to brew with'
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Tue, March 17, 2009 - 3:35 PMtaste is an aquired thing, that is for sure, because after drinking some black and nasty aya before getting to percys i found the sweetness far more repulsing than bitterness...i had more trouble keeping percys down than anyone elses. that made it no less effective mind you.
knowing percy, i would say whatever in his medicine is not to make it more palatable to the western tounge but because it is an ally of his, if it happens to be sweet and you like it, buenissimo.
constitution determines to a large degree how 'flavor' influences us energetically...at least in homeopathy and vedic medicine, and i believe TCM though i dont know enough about it to say really...
ok, now im getting off topic.
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Tue, March 17, 2009 - 3:45 PMEvery plant added to the brew has an effect.
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Thu, March 19, 2009 - 9:01 AMi actually appreciated that he had kept it a secret what he puts in his medicine. when there is more quietude around something, it can sometimes give it more power and sacredness.
his assistant, carlos tells me that even HE isnt allowed to watch some parts of the preparation. sems like a good lesson in patience to me. -
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Thu, March 19, 2009 - 10:45 AMi like the strong taste ... it is beautiful and strong just like Madrecita!. ... i like the way it strikes my palate and makes me shiver.
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Fri, March 20, 2009 - 8:02 AMi just remembered my teacher telling me that the more chakruna you add, the sweeter the flavor if the aya. -
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Fri, March 20, 2009 - 6:14 PMIf you cook down the vine only... so that it's paste, it is sweet. -
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Sat, March 21, 2009 - 10:56 AMwell i cant imagine he was serving vine only. what else might he have put in there, alan? any guesses for the curious at heart? -
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Sat, March 21, 2009 - 12:35 PMPercy uses chaliponga and vine.... but then he uses another plant which.... is why we're having this discussion.... I don't know what it is and I don't ask. However, his brew is still terrible tasting, just not so much as others. -
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Sat, March 21, 2009 - 2:04 PMHe told me he uses a lot of plants and specifically mentioned toe. Maybe chuchuwasi as well. It sounded complex. I've also had hawaiian style which actually is very sweet and tastes like chocolate a bit. Not bad at all. I wonder if the super rich volcanic soil is what makes the difference as compared to the poor quality sandy soil of the Amazon basin. -
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Sun, March 22, 2009 - 1:19 PMwhen i was there, carlos told me that percy puts something a little different in the brew for each ceremony, depending on the specific needs of the group.
so there arent any sweeter tasting plants that anyone knows of that he could be using?
unless the flavor of chuchuhuasi changes once it{s put into the brew, i cant imagine that foul-tasting stuff had much to do with the sweeter flavor of percys aya.
and the toe...not sure what that tastes like alone but usually only a tiny bit is used...
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Sun, March 22, 2009 - 4:10 PMJust a couple of leaves of Toe.... helps bring out the colors. -
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Sun, March 22, 2009 - 4:15 PMand spirits . .
tastes very flowery.
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Mon, March 23, 2009 - 4:53 AMOne Angel Tumpet' flower' is enough for 4 people' with "vine" and light'
:)))Tastes very flowery :)))
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Mon, March 23, 2009 - 9:14 AMAre you sure about that?
That sounds like a hefty dose...
If I was a shaman...which I am not...I would probably gauge 1 flower to at least 8 humans.
Especially considering the potency of flowers always varies..?
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Mon, March 23, 2009 - 2:32 PM8 is a wee bit exteme there' but perhaps "Toe" grown here is no as potent as grown in the tropics' I would have no clue'
As I said earlier'
"You get this brew in-correct you cause pain' instead of a learning experience'
I would suggest you learn to speak with the plants' esspecialy "Toe" before you start adding plants to the bitter tea'
Take the flowers and dry them in a tupperware box' then shake the hell out of the box with the lid on'
All the tiny crystals fall to the bottom of the box'
Stick a few tiny crystals in the end of a maphacho roll'
A small dried leaf rolled with mapacho and passed around :)))
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Tue, March 24, 2009 - 1:12 PMin the amazon i've been told its about 2 flowers for a batch of 30 to 50 doses...bear in mind of course that the suaveolens/candida tree varietys are most commonly used, and not the stramoniums so common to north america...
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Tue, March 24, 2009 - 1:30 PMToé can grow as far North as south-central Florida.
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Tue, March 24, 2009 - 3:18 PMI've got one out the window of a house I'm staying at in San Francisco. Hearty plants that seem to adapt well to varying climates. -
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Tue, March 24, 2009 - 3:54 PMThey appear healthier and more bountiful here in the bay area than the ones I met in the tropics of Florida.
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Tue, March 24, 2009 - 3:56 PMVery good for asthma :)))
That is of how I came across "Toe"
I have heard some scary reports of folks drinking her boiled roots in tea' and being gone for a few days'
Waterfall behind the eyelids'
I have only tried "Stramonium" in homeopathic remedies' it worked quite well' but took some time to kick in'
Blessings
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Tue, March 24, 2009 - 4:27 PMOK, that would make sense since the Bay Area is in zone 10.
"Hardiness: USDA Zones 10 - 12. Brugmansia suaveolens is a small evergreen (although soft-wooded) tree. In zones 8B-9B, it dies to the ground in winter and resprouts in spring; under these conditions it rarely exceeds 8 ft (2.4 m) in height. Plants that are repeatedly killed to the ground winter after winter often weaken and die in a few years."
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Tue, March 24, 2009 - 1:36 PMsailin, that gauge sounds much more appropriate. thanks for the info. -
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Tue, March 24, 2009 - 5:48 PMbrugmansia manages to overwinter in my cabin, in a zone 8. the fragile new growth dies back but that is about it...
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Wed, March 25, 2009 - 1:41 AMwow...
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Mon, April 6, 2009 - 10:50 AMYou're still a rude person. I doubt you've changed one bit. -
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Re: ceremony with percy garcia..a personal account.
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 12:50 PMOmarsky'
That was an amazing first post from you'
You're still a rude person. I doubt you've changed one bit.
Directed at' "rebecca ???
Would help if you made yourself clear !
Issues there ?
No one is perfect!
Bliss
Nobuoni +
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