Sushi as proper diet prior to ayahuasca intake.

topic posted Fri, April 3, 2009 - 10:36 PM by  Geert
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I was wondering if sushi would fit as a proper diet prior to the intake of ayahuasaca.
As it's main ingredients are fish (tuna, salmon a.o), seaweed, rice, avocado, cucumber, wasabi, sesameseeds. .
In all cases (sushi forms) the ingredients are fresh and unmanipulated,
I remember reading somewhere that some ayahuasceros diet contains only soft boiled fish and vegetables. Proteines and vitamins.
I don't know.
It feels perfectly right to me, easy to make and delicious. .
I could survive on sushi solely and feel fresh and healthy.
What do you think.
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Geert
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  • Sounds awesome' a little white fish and some rice' a few greens and some fruit' plenty of fresh water
    The only thing I can see is possibly Aya telling you off for eating animals'
    But a bit of fish is in no way going to upset you whilst on RIMA's'

    Blessings

    Nobuoni +
    • white rice has lots of sugar, which I personally avoid on dieta.
      • Unsu...
         
        i ate sushi one evening, sandwitched between two ayahuasca sessions, and noticed no problem. i did watch out for the wasabi and soysauce. lots of spice and sodium.
        • Those are things to watch for right..?
          Heavy spices, salts and sugars..?
          Does that also apply for sweet fruits, like plumbs, pineapple citrusfruits etc..? Tomatoes..?
          What about olive-oil...
          I am not really experienced in this, my few experiences where magic, healing, full of visions and grace.
          A lesson in humility and inspiration, A life changing experience
          Prior to these I read about the diets to follow and kinda followed my instinct on the food I put in my body, in an aware, conscious way. I already felt the effects of these diets on my body before even ingesting the brew. But I don't like bland foods.
          Sodium makes the flavour of food more apparent.
          I'm searching for ways to spice up these things, without being overcomplicated.
          I'm gonna go in for ayahuasca again and want to make a nice diet, healthy, fresh and tasty.
          Plants like dill, basil, parsley, oregano, chives, these are greenleaf herbs that are full of flavour. Dill goes great with fish.
          What about things like garlic and red pepper, these are fruits that contain a lot of flavour and also have a big effect on the bloodflow.
          I find hot spices like chili also really stimulating and purifying for my glands, pores and nerves.
          I understand the importance of avoiding sodium, but how does avoiding spice influence the ayahuasca experience.
          • It all really depends on your goal. The blander and plainer the diet is, the deeper the dieta. It also varies a bit by region and by curandero. Some OK olive oil, even foods fried in it, some not.
            The universals are no hot spices, no garlic, no sex, no salt. Most add in onions though for some cooked is OK.
            As far as sushi goes - well, watch out for the possibility of heavy metal toxicity, especially mercury. Pretty rampant in the tunas.
            Also, sadly, most sushi fish is supplied by business owned and financing the unification church (sun yung moon).

            Many curanderos discourage citrus when doing a strict dieta. For some it's ok.
            Instinct is important.
      • It is no sugar you wish to be thinking about'
        Rice is carbo-hydrate the same as sugar'

        The vine is a maoi A'

        Tyramine is broken down by mao B'

        So posses no problems with ingesting a RIMA'

        Salt is your main concern causing high blood pressure'

        Carbohydrate is fine'

        Dopermine in beans and bananas is a concern'

        As a caution to migraine and hypetension eat only fresh foods'
        I have personaly ate most things' Aya kicks my ass for eating four legged animals and salt' beans and bananas' plus strong peppers'
        Foods to avoid are ones that stimulate the system'

        Bliss

        Nobuoni +
        • Rice is not the same as sugar. Rice is a complex carb, sugar is simple. Rice is dieta safe as long as it's not cooked with salt. So are potatoes, yucca, plaintains, farina, etc.

          I've seen loads of beans and bananas served on the day of ceremony with no problems at all.

          Some of the reason for dieta seems to be to desimulate the taste buds. Get to a neutral place so that all of the senses are accentuated and you can hear the plants better.
        • Some beans are high in levadopa of which is converted to dopermine in the brain'
          You got a risk of high blood pressure' you cross dopermine with maoi A'

          I found the foods that no agree with me and RIMA's'

          Beans' bananas' pineapple' spicy peppers and four legged animals' plus salt'

          The vine shall let you know of what you can and no can eat'

          There is very little to worry about taking mao A inhibitors'

          Bliss

          Nobuoni +
  • Sounds delicious.

    I agree, stay away from the soy sauce and wasabi.

    Wasabi might not feel great coming out the nose :)
    • i was surprised to be told in a ceremony once that i should eat some more red meat because i needed it...of course going full dieta is a different story...my impression is that since the medicine is all about getting healthier in all dimensions, mind body and spirit, if there is something that you individually need for your personal healing it will be accepted by the medicine and if its not you may get told as much...

      any thoughts?
      • Unsu...
         
        not really interested in the deita honestly... its not necessary...
        for one its been confused with the MAOI diet and harmine harmaline and THH are not maois as much as RIMAs... look it up...
        SWIMs found that ingesting food after taking ayahausca can be very helpful... if your not feeling anything at all eating some food can brring about the visions...
        every one has their own relationship to this medicine and the deita is not the only way of relating to la medicina...
        • yah i guess thats what i was getting at, its all individual...ive had some insight though into the reasons behind some of the traditional amazonian dieta 'rules' one of the most interesting being that salt, as a crystal, has the ability to hold vibration and if you are trying to truly cleanse and heal, it could be very very beneficial to flush most of the salt and any other 'crystaline' structure from your system in order to reset your energetic matrix.

          as for spice, it agitates the lower energy centers (relating to our connection to earth, family, tribe, sexuality, etc) and if you are working with issues in these areas, which i would wager MOST of us coming from modern societies probably are, allowing the chaos and leaks down here to settle out could also be very beneficial.

          also ayahuasca, like many entheogens, can put stress on certain organs such as kidney and gall bladder when it is being used constantly as in dieta, so you may want to stack as many cards as you can in your favor to give these organs a break and let them process whats most imporant at the time, medicine.

          this is what i've seen when i ask anyway...very interested in hearing others personal insights and adaptations of 'diet' rules for different plants/purposes.
          • Unsu...
             
            The deita has more to do with tribal and then post tribal ritual taboos relating around food ( other than human persons that we most commonly call food), these taboos come from pre-meztiso tribal cosmologies and relational dynamics with the plant and animal animal people that are a part of specific amazonian peoples diets. If you are an amazonian meztiso you may still have some of the original idiations for why people had these dietary taboos.. and if your an amazonian that still practices post acculturated tribal customs you still might have and idea as to why its not ok to eat certain monkeys... for example some monkeys are actually the ancestors of certain tribes... eating them is a taboo for obviou reasons... they are their origins and there for off limits to eat.
            food taboos all all over the world...
            people interested in ayahuasca tend to be very ill informed abotu this subject and seem to fetishize the food taboo componant of the deita. mostly out of ignorence as to the real esoteric or emic perspective on why they exist in the first place...
            one would be better off communing with the spirit of the plants first hand and discussing what food they ought eat or ought not eat inorder to do a deita regionaly with local foods or just bypass the notion all together... I under stand the dieta well enough to know that it is not nessecary for me to do the dieta... it has more ritual signifigance then any thing... and that ritual signifigance can be relpaced by your own meaningful relational dynamic instead of an ignorent imitation and appropriation of anothers tradition...
          • Salt and RIMA's causes me instant high blood pressure'
            Bananas and certain beans do the same'
            Pineapple causes me acid reflux' something about it's acidity and the gall bladder'
            Aya kicks my ass if I eat four legged animal' makes for an aggessive uncomfortable experience' holding the energies in the body' instead of allowing them to dissapate through psychi'

            Beautiful input there Sailin'

            Thank you'

            Bliss

            Nobuoni +
            • Unsu...
               
              to each their own...
              • There is increasing evidence that extracellular adenosine (ADO) contributes to the control of intrarenal circulation.
                In the kidney, ADO-dependent vasoconstriction is mediated by A1 and vasodilatation by A2a and A2b receptor types.
                There is evidence that some aspects of ADO metabolism and, possibly, of its functional role depend on salt intake.

                So salt in the diet effects vasodilatation'

                It is well known that sodium/salt effects blood pressure' more so in older people'

                Bliss

                Nobuoni +
                • MJ
                  MJ
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                  if you are eating proper sushi, the rice mixture is mixed with a type of rice vinagar, which is not good for an ayahuasca ceremony. How do I know vinagar is added? Easy, im Japanese...
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    Acetic acid and water poses no problems with Ayahuasca'
                    It converts the Harmines to harmine acetates' of which are very water soluble'
                    Folks use white wine vinegar' malt vinegar' dry wine' vit c' phosphoric acid' etc' etc'
                    All of which lower the ph of the water' if you end up drinking them' no problem'
                    There is very little foods that disagree with Cappi vine'
                    The worry is about synthesis of tyramine' of which' Harmine' etc' no compete for enzymes in the gut'
                    If you took a full MAOI' this would knockout all of the MAO A-B' enzymes' leaving non left to synthesise tyramine'
                    Tyramine intolernce is no problem with Capi vine or Harmols'
                    Harmols are RIMA's
                    Reversable Inhibitor Mono Amino' (Oxidase)

                    I have only found a mild problem from salt and certain beans containing L-Dopa' of which cause high blood pressure when used with a RIMA'
                    As stated most of the reasons for food restrictions is a point of cleansing'
                    Very few foods are actualy so called dangerious' other than caution' of my experience' on above stated' to ingest with Ayahuasca'

                    Ayahuasca shall tell you of what to eat'
                    It becomes a personal way of working with the Cappi vine'

                    Many blessings to you MJ'

                    Bliss

                    Nobuoni +


          • "as for spice, it agitates the lower energy centers"

            What's the evidence for that? Where does the claim originate?
            • Unsu...
               
              Avocado....NO NO NO>>>
              • Avacado contains small amounts of tyramine' but as stated this is no problem with Ayahuasca (RIMA) because Harmines no compete with mao breakdown of tyramine'
                You only would have a problem with tyramine intolerance leading to hypertention and migraine if you partook of a full MAOI of which knocks out MAO-A-B enzymes'

                Bliss

                Nobuoni +
                • I've had no problems with avocado. I probably wouldn't eat one on the day of ceremony though just because of the high fat content and my personal preference for being empty of food.
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                    Unsu...
                     
                    like i tell my friend who now no longer eats pork because of aya... your resonating with the relational system and perceptual system of a people... their rules apply to you now because your a part of that co-creative process of shaping reality... something aya teaches a lot about...

                    aya teaches a lot about the subtly of mind and spirit and how matter follows mind and spirit... south american traditional medicine teaches a lot about psychosomatic illness, it could even be argued that curanderismo in general is primarily focused on the treatment of psychosomatic illness... in the west we have a negative conetation with psychosomatic illness..."oh your just saying its all in your head!" and yes i am but thats a pretty powerful statement and just because its in your head doesn't mean its any less real and powerful and generative of physiological responses. what this eludes to is that the deita its self is primarily of a psychosomatic nature... there is no real dietary concerns out side of a psychosomatic nature... the confusion between pharmaceutical grade Maois and harmal RIMAs has been cleared up fro some time now for those that have looked into it they know for those that still are confused by jim dekorne and his ilk come folks branch out do some more reading...
                    by saying that the deita and the effects of participating in the deita, as well as the effects of not participating with the dieta, is psychosomatic and based in a an animist communities relational dynamic, does not say that there are not serious physical effects occuing in the bodies of people who do the dieta.
                    ust look at psychoimmunology for a second... people can just by thinking about it raise blisters on their hands by imagining fire burning them, people can increase their immunoglobin just by thinking and doing creative visualization... the mind moves and shapes the body...
                    So seeing how there is no known hard evidence to support that the foods avoided on the dieta are correlated with a pharmaceutical MAOI diet and seeing how hamala alkaloids are RIMAs not MAOIs then it would stand to reason that the importance of the deita and the foods and practices of the deita ( sexual abstinence, not allowing women of child rearing age to cook ones food ect...) are of psychosomatic significance... and psychosomatic significance ONLY.
                    These psychosomatic responses are socially and spiritually constructed by a people in a deeply intimate way that involve actual relationship dynamics that we are not often privy too. in adopting these relationships into our own beleif systems we miss out on the opportunity to establish our own relationship dynamic and we inevitably cannot have the emic perspective on the relationship dynamics we adopt in the first place... there will always be something missing... the relationship will never be the same as the relationship of one who is born into this relationship dynamic...
                    now if we co-create our own thats another thing all together... the UDV and santo damie have done this... they do not follow the dieta... many tribes that work with aya do not follow the same deitary taboos that we are accustom to, or have been more exposed to...
                    in some sense learning the power of the dieta and its psychosomatic influence over the body in relationship to the experience of ingesting powerful harmala alkaloids in conjuncture with tyrptamines gives us an understanding of how we may cultivate our own subtle relationships with powerful benefits and flaws...
                    we should be mindfull...

                    dietary taboos are fascinating there is all kinds of physical evidence to support them... but they are many times psychosomatic physical evidence... some times i wonder if we are doing the same with say the ph diet and the eating right for your blood type and the raw foodist obessions... each are in effect modern food taboos... but thats another subject...
                    • Interesting points.

                      IMHO dieta is a combination of both psycho-social animistic beliefs and some pretty pragmatic observations of the effects of various foods on the body. It's only the intersection of the South with the North that has created the MAOi aspect to dieta. That doesn't exist in traditional tribal work at all, mainly because the very concept and understanding of MAO interactions was an unknown.

                      Yet in that society, the idea of dieta gained a fairly universal significance in medicine work. Why? Is it all just psycho-social belief, or is there a real physiological reason for it. Like I said, some is, some isn't.

                      It's been known for a long time that fasting can be a powerful method to attune a person to Spirit. I think that there are several reasons for this. One is that food is something that always takes us into the realm of the external. Hungry and walk by a bakery. Ding ding. the bell goes off and we salivate and want fresh baked goods. That's such a well known reaction that most bakeries vent their ovens in a way that the odors will go to the street to affect the pedestrian traffic to enter. So fasting, once you get through the hunger stage, will lessen this, especially if it's done in the context of dieta, which ideally would be sitting in a hut in the jungle (or forest, desert, etc. for us northerners). The other aspect is that the digestion itself is turned off after a few days. All that considerable energy that went to digestion can then go to focus on Spirit and/or the inner worlds. It's a real disconnection with the day to day life we lead. Plus fasting will heighten the subtle aspects of the senses, especially visual, auditory, and smell - the hunting senses. So in the context of dieta, the senses are opened up allowing one to see nature with different eyes and ears. Also, a body in the fasting state will be more transparent to subtle energies.

                      So dieta, in my mind, is a way to create an eating fast by cutting down the sensory aspects of food to a minimum so that a similar effect to fasting can be created while still getting nourishment for the body. All strong tastes are eliminated, all strong artificial smells are eliminated, the human drive of reproduction and mating is sublimated, all artificial sounds are removed, and our human desire to communicate and gossip with each other is turned off. So what then happens is a great sensitivity to the surrounding natural world, opening up the ability to hear the subtle communications from the plant and spirit worlds.

                      I've often been struck by the similarities of dieta to the ayurvedic concept of the 3 gunas, and how dieta is in many ways in alignment with the satvic diet.
                      • Some good stuff guys...
                        I see it working on many different levels..
                        Chemicaly, bodily, sensory, emotionaly, spiritually and how these are all connected and brought to harmony through awareness.
                        Interesting stuff.
                        • Unsu...
                           
                          definitely some good points on the fasting, isolation, ect... very basic fundamental concepts of purification are being played out here... they are good points.

                          but i think its important that people understand that these methods are not necessary AT ALL! it may be for people participating in a living in the amazonian jungle but they arent really necessary for people out side of that... some disagree with me and that is fine and a matter of opinion as well... but an educated one at that...
                          for example...
                          one doesn't need to fast with ayahuasca and eating very little of specific foods does create an heightened sensitivity and purification but its not necessary either...
                          the foods that are choosen as taboo ( please see a full list of amazonian ayahuasca dieta taboo foods in eduardo lunas book vegetalismo) are many... there are specific types of bird and monkey that are ok and others that are not... same with plants and fish... its not all beans and rice and plantains... boar is ok to eat but domestic pig is not... ect... so the foods eaten on a deita has more to do with food taboo then any thing honestly... but yes it allows a socially sanctioned purification system still based on psychosomatic dynamics to occur.
                          back to fasting how ever... you dont need to fast... an arguement that drinking on an empty stomache is fine... have a day of eating light as you normally do... and then waiting about four hours before one drinks is a good strategy... you have energy... your not in a weakened state... these weakened states induced by isolation and fasting can be great for creating transpersonal ego dissolving states, which are terrifying and great for disassembling things... but they can also be extremly confusing and difficult to assimilate as well as intigrate into your life...
                          now having some strength in you from just a normal diet and eating that day and THEN eating a small amount of food right after drinking can induce POWERFUL POWERFUL visions. eating food after drinking ayahuasca can take a tea session where no visions would have ever occured and turn it into a POWERFUL visionary experience with many lessons learned and healing produced...

                          SWIMS experiences with eating food and not fasting as apposed to the dieta experiences with traditional ayahuasceros have huge differences...
                          the experiences of not fasting and eating food during a session ( often times sour dough bread cuz its yummy and good for you) bring about greater focus, greater healing, greater ability to take care of your own needs then having a shaman there to do it for you because your in a weakened state... more was accomplished more was learned, and the healing that occured was longer lasting and more effective in the long run in changing swims life then in the experiences with the dieta and not eating during the session.
                          SWIM would eat light after drinking and would not eat anything to heavy... but fatty foods can really kick it in too...

                          if you look at the pros and cons... swim was able to have full on transpersonal ego disolving experiences where tremendous healing and learning occurred with out freaking the fuck out and loosing his shit and having some all powerful healer take care of swim... swim felt more empowered and capable of taking care of his own spiritual quest and needs, as well as physical needs. the qualitative effects as well as the experience over all made more sense to swim because swim was not trying to entertain notions from a foreign culture as well... one that swim does not belong to nor will ever fully belong to even if swim felt adopted or reborn into the cultural group swim was working with...

                          SWIM has notions that the fasting, and isolation and food taboos of the dieta may actually just be there to reinforce social hierarchy among shamans by breaking down a student of the plants ego just enough and then appearing as the guide in the students process...
                          if one did not participate in these practices my hypothesis would be that one would feel more empowered to take on ones own healing path cultivating a more egalitarian relational dynamic with the plants as the teachers first and for most...
                          the plants them selves already do a hell of a job of dismantlement egoic constructs and reforming them in healthier patterns... if this can be done in a fully conscious co-creative way with human consciousness working in synergy with the plant then i believe more benefit would occur.
                          when we participate in a cultures spiritual practices we also participate in their social practices, they are intertwined... amazonian traditions tend to be hierarchical, patriarchal, sexist and at times conflict driven and competitive... these are social and cultural adaptations that have allowed them to thrive... and theirs nothing wrong with that in my book... nothing wrong with that for them... but not for me personally... thats not what I am interested in nor desire to incorporate into MY life... and I question as to whether many people wish for that as well..
                          like i said though this is just my loose hypothosis on the cultural and social aspects of amazonian healing practices... people can disagree with me as much as they like... i personally dont care...

                          but ive seen enough and seen the differences that establishing your own relationships can make... i personally do not see a real good reason why a bunch of gringos HAVE to do the dieta...
                          they can if they want to... have fun with that...
                          but its not necessary...
                          the plant spirits will come to you and teach you and work in synergy with you whether you do it others way or your own... but i guarantee if its your own way that you learned your SELF from you OWN interactions the experiences are going to be easier to integrate into your life and more effective in seeing positive change occur in your day to day life... changes that others will see...
                • Unsu...
                   
                  I did get bad headackes with Avo,,, but everybody is different!
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                    Unsu...
                     
                    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosomatic
                    psy·cho·so·mat·ic (sk-s-mtk)
                    adj.
                    1. Of or relating to a disorder having physical symptoms but originating from mental or emotional causes.
                    2. Relating to or concerned with the influence of the mind on the body, and the body on the mind, especially with respect to disease:

                    like i said people can cause blisters to form on their hands just by thinking about their hands being in a fire...
                    you get headaches... thats not a surprise... you think that avo is going to cause a problem and guess what your mind just gave your body one...
                    curanderismo is primarily focused on treating pscyhosomatic illness... brujeria, mal ojo, mal aire many of these are folk illnesses, and they are real illnesses but they are real psychosomatic illnesses, that do not exist symptomatically where people do not believe in these illnesses...
                    bring in the reality of spirit into the equation and what your seeing here are very profound healing practices that can be applied to our own cultural illnesses... most people in the west dont have a good understanding of psychosomatic illness and cannot even get a grip on which illnesses in their cultures exist as manifestations of the mind body relationship...
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                    True that. Some people are a lot more sensitive than others to different things. I'm pretty sure I can have a pizza for lunch with coffee and saurkraut and not have any problems, other than what eating that would cause me normally. For some even a cup of coffee the same day will give a splitting headache. I don't eat like that though.
                    • Unsu...
                       
                      and one of the primary purposes of the medicine is to clean you out anyway, so it will take out any "bad" stuff you happened to put in that day, be it painful or not.
                      • Unsu...
                         
                        Thats true richard... some people are more sensative... and some times that sensativity is also just a product of the mind... for instance i know a woman with a wheat allergy... she will not even allow her little boy to eat wheat because she thinks that its unhealthy for him...
                        wheat supposedly causes her asthma. now that she does not eat wheat no asthma...
                        So i smelled a rat on this one...
                        i think alot of food allerrgy stuff is psychosomatic and hubub... so i did a counseling session with her.,..
                        low and behold... absent parents that only gave her any attention as well as gifts when she was sick as a child. she would in her infintile mind find ways to get sick to get attention and love and gifts, toys ect... so one day she faked having an asthma attack... and she got all kinds of attentionss this time from doctors too! then she got another asthma attack this time she lost control of it and she kept on getting it... just like the blisters and the imaginary fire... she gave her self asthma... now latter on in life a doctor tells her wheat is to blame... a psychosomatic wheat allergy to cure a psychosomatic illness... viola... she doesnt eat wheat she doesn't get asthma... even though she knows this her child mind still will not let go of the illness and so she refuses to accept that her wheat intolerance is bullshit and now she is spreading her dellusions about wheat to her child... create a psychosomatic illness in the child, which could potentially turn into a whole host of issues....

                        your right some people are more sensitive and that can also just all be in your head...

                        One might say that one of the primary purposes of the medicine is to clean out all the "bad" stuff you put into you... then again some might not... there are whole communities of people who ingest this medicine and do not work with it for that purpose... and so in their case in their relationship with the medicine getting cleaned out is NOT primary, and its not their purpose in ingesting it and its not the purpose of the medicine either in their particular relational dynamic...

                        we see that relational dynamic traditionally and we see how its prepaired and why its ingested and how they work with it and why ect... and we adopt do what they do...
                        time for a little story...

                        a woman is making easter dinner with her mother... its the first time shes made easter dinner at her home with her new family and her parents. In the kitchen shes starting to make the Ham ( uhoh is ham ok to talk about on an ayahuasca forum! lol). her mother is keeping her company chatting with her while she cooks the easter dinner. the woman takes out the large baking pan she bought for the ham and then takes the ham and cuts off the two ends of the ham... and places the ham in the large pan. Her mother asks her why she cut off the two ends of the ham. The daughter answers... "Well thats what you always do MOM!" the mother replies, " Honey i cut the ends of the ham because the pot i have at home is too small, your pot is big enough for two hams!"

                        people who are studying or reading about this work with ayahausca and the dieta is no different...
                        most amazonian people as it is with many traditions dont know how or why a thing starts or is done... they like the daughter just monkey see monkey do... thats how it is with traditions... but the mind sees an empty space and fills it... its nearly automatic... lol! a biological function that on the scale of biological functions is below shiting... as my old teacher taught me... so we come up with a reason why things are done the way we do them... whether it has any reality at all doesnt mater we will make it real... even if its a real delusion... like the woman with the what she is curing a dellusional yet VERY real and dangerous illness thats actually not real at all with another psychosomatic cure! both are figments other imagination, she has a perfect explanation as to why she has asthma its wheat! lol... but thats not the cause... but she thinks it is and so not eating wheat cures her... and doctors and books validate this making the delusion more fixed and real in its psychosomatic results... its amazing!


                        I personally have not learned from aya to purge... that vomiting and being pure and clean is really necessary... its taught me to give what i dont need away and its taught me to transmute and transform that which is within me... its taught me that value judgments of good and bad perpetuate delusions of separation and duality ( which a lot of amazonian shamans thrive on) and that ideas such as "bad" are illusions ( your learning from a snake after all). cultural concepts of purity and cleansing are very culturally specific and focused on culturally defined value systems... make sure that you know what your doing when you set your own value system and relational dynamic aside to replace them with the values of others... people have been considered unclean for many things today that are simply put just cultural based value systems...

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