Tribe.net. Local Connections Elfin http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/b4cead17-c728-45d1-b00b-aa6b9542365c#9bf5b725-e3a4-4363-a903-6e79304fb73f 2009-07-05T06:06:24Z 2009-07-05T06:06:24Z

Tucuna, I believe you have stated what you would do were you a plant spirit... not what the spirits of ayahuasca would do. My guess is that a spirit that is able to enter a person's body and know them better than themselves actually knows a great deal more about humanity and the current modes of functioning (through money among other things). Trying to personify ayahuasca and guess what she would/should do were she to read the NY times and become as wise and well informed as us seems a little ridiculous. Much can be written on 'humans and money,' but as far as 'ayahuasca and money' ... we're all just guessing. Lets not take ourselves too seriously. My guess is that aya adheres to some sort of sacred law in line with not interfering in our free will. Money is our karma, not hers.

Elfin 2009-07-05T06:06:24Z tucuna http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/b4cead17-c728-45d1-b00b-aa6b9542365c#368c9c7f-872e-4024-8bb4-133c185e367c 2009-07-05T01:32:49Z 2009-07-05T01:32:49Z

Ayahuasca doesn't have a problem with money, because it does not understand money. It does not read history books. If ayahuasca knew about money - and understood what it does - it would cast a spell on it, destroy it energetically, and we would be free. The paths for tobacco and cannabis show well how ignorant power plants are of the black magic of money.

tucuna 2009-07-05T01:32:49Z Go Ask Alice http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/b4cead17-c728-45d1-b00b-aa6b9542365c#d970879f-a50f-420a-a412-0321a2c2a206 2009-06-24T17:05:20Z 2009-06-24T17:05:20Z

I think of it as tithing.

Go Ask Alice 2009-06-24T17:05:20Z Lester http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/b4cead17-c728-45d1-b00b-aa6b9542365c#bbcaa405-5655-4eaf-a18b-1fa8661e6be0 2009-06-24T02:02:27Z 2009-06-24T02:02:27Z

I wish I had some money to part with. I wouldn't begrudge helping out. And I've never even had the chance to try it yet. All I've done is read everything I can find about it.

Lester 2009-06-24T02:02:27Z Jav http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/b4cead17-c728-45d1-b00b-aa6b9542365c#56751793-174e-4180-831c-cb1445254d09 2009-06-24T00:46:02Z 2009-06-24T00:46:02Z

Really? Huh.....different strokes for different folks I guess.....

Jav 2009-06-24T00:46:02Z $item.owner.firstName http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/b4cead17-c728-45d1-b00b-aa6b9542365c#be94b624-57be-4835-aa6f-876f9507f692 2009-06-23T23:53:22Z 2009-06-23T23:53:22Z

love this post, that's right the aya just wants her work to be done, and in this day and age, money is definatly involved...thanks for this..

$item.owner.firstName 2009-06-23T23:53:22Z Michael SJ http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/b4cead17-c728-45d1-b00b-aa6b9542365c#05ae17c0-5002-425a-a9ce-83b15182e14f 2009-06-23T19:07:50Z 2009-06-23T19:07:50Z

There seems to be a big problem with people who are interested in ayahuasca and money. Just recently we have had several threads where the idea has come up that ayahuasca retreats are somehow a grab for cash but instead should be sacred and be provided free for those intrepid souls who make their ayahuasca pilgrimage here to the jungle. That´s just silly. We could do a million mile long thread about the demographics of ayahuasca enthusiasts and the concepts of materialism or capitalism or socialism or whatever, but that stuff is not about the ayahuasca, it´s about the people. I am here in Tarapoto working with my friend Lucho to build a center for plant medicine and ayahuasca ceremonies. We need money to buy the land and build the buildings and hire the staff and all the million things you need to run a business. I have spent a lot of my own money for the work we´ve done so far but I haven´t asked a centimo in return. Any donations for the ceremonies and dietas go directly to Lucho to cover his expenses and to care for his family. We have been using a borrowed maloca for ceremonies so far but we will be buying the land to build our own center in February. Just the first phase of the project is going to cost somewhere near $10,000 and I´m headed back to the US for a while to start making the money. You can see where there starts to be a conflict with the idea of free versus me spending $10,000. But back to the ayahuasca. Before I drink I set my intention for what I hope to accomplish during the ceremony. I ask for guidance how to make our dream of this center to become a reality and how to best do the work we have to do. The ayahuasca has proven to be a fountain of motivation plus incredible ideas for the funding, sort of like a little brown cup of distilled Tony Robbins mixed with Richard Branson. That was the message Saturday night: "Don´t worry about it, brother. We´ve got the coolest, most generous people on the way. You just keep on keeping on and the good things that are supposed to happen are going to happen." Ayahuasca doesn´t have a problem with money, it just wants it´s work done.

Michael SJ 2009-06-23T19:07:50Z