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Ayahuasca and making love

topic posted Sat, September 1, 2007 - 9:07 AM by  Unsubscribed
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Theres the interesting debate 'crossing the medicine' about sex and ayahuasca in traditional shamanic lines. I'd like to start a thread which expands the debate to include 'making love and ayahuasca' or 'tantra and ayahuasca'
for people who may not be excluding all other ways of drinking than 'traditional amazonian shamanism'...

One thing I have noticed over 400 sessions is that my vigor and energy in lovemaking has increased, and my connection to my longterm partner, to tap into what is good for her, what she needs. It is a telepathic bond that has grown in time along with our exploration of the medicine.

I feel much of this is to do with 'shedding sheol' ; shedding ahamkara, simulations of self so that one can be more authentic, more honest, therefore more pure, more real for ones beloved.

It is due to working on healing the shames and confusions around elementary desire, elementary instinctual drive to make love. Sex is such a flatland word, it seems to describe a physical act rather than a movement, a process involving all chakras. To me, making love is to have sex on more than just a base chakra level, it is to engage the heart and the third eye.

After a powerful ceremony one can be 'babyfied' and quite beyond desire, or alternatively one can be quite centered and grounded. I feel from this place, if there is still no process of detoxification, where emotional, psychic and physical toxins are still being shed, then making love in the afterglow can be one of the deepest journeys, with love it can perform a great adjunct for the healing.

I try to strike a balance... I am very aware of the ways in which the sad distortions of roman christianity have cumulated over hundreds of years to produce shames, repressions and a dualistic splitting between mind and body. I am very interested in approaching this fundamental memetic splitting between mind and body, or, spirit and matter. Sexuality seems to be at the centre of the knot, therefore bringing the medicine to bear upon this constellate is a deep healing. Integrating sexuality and spirituality is one of the most exciting and challenging aspects of soul growth for me...

Of course the 'original' prescriptions around sexuality and entheogenic plant rituals in the amazon may have nothing to do with western puritanism and repression (or, it may have something to do with it in mestizo practices). It may have something to do with maintaining boundaries within tribal communities that could otherwise lead to troubles, or overburdening available survival resources.

The emphasis may be described as more 'energetic', to calm the nervous system for deeper concentration. In my very limited experience (which involves both indigenous, mestizo, syncretic and 'freeform' exploration) it seems more to matter in what manner one 'has sex' = making love, and withholding from orgasm is something quite different in my mind. As one of my shamanic teachers said when queried about sexuality and ceremony, she eventually conceded that as long as it was 'good sex', i.e, love, there is no 'crossing the medicine' .
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  • Unsu...
     

    Re: Ayahuasca and making love

    Sat, September 1, 2007 - 10:32 AM
    very interesting daniel, have you only been with your partner after aya? or new partners... maybe it is more the seductive aspects that could get complicated?
  • Re: Ayahuasca and making love

    Sat, September 1, 2007 - 3:58 PM
    << As one of my shamanic teachers said when queried about sexuality and ceremony, she eventually conceded that as long as it was 'good sex', i.e, love, there is no 'crossing the medicine' .
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    That could make sense, and I believe you that your way of making love can harmonize with the medicine...

    But what if it is NOT "good sex"? Can you conceive of sexual energy =ever= moving in a way that would counter the healing energies of the medicine?
    • Unsu...
       

      Re: Ayahuasca and making love

      Sun, September 2, 2007 - 5:22 AM
      >Can you conceive of sexual energy =ever= moving in a way that would counter the healing energies of the medicine?


      certainly. If there are insecurities in the relationship, or secrets, or old traumas then people could feel upset or feel terrible. But would that really be 'countering' the healing, or would it be an aspect of it ? Avoiding these things doesn't produce any healing, it puts them to the side.

      Bearing in mind I'm talking about this within a committed relationship...