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I'm re-reading "Wizard of the Upper Amazon", Bruce Lamb's wonderful book about Manual Córdova and his life in the Amazon. The ayahuasca in his stories is described as a "Clear Green" liquid. I wondering why there is such a discrepancy between the brown semi-thick liquid I'm a familiar with having never seen Clear Green ayahuasca.
He also stresses the importance of preparing it in an earthenware pot. Why does everyone use the aluminum pots rather than earthenware? Just because of its ruggedness?
Thanks,
D
He also stresses the importance of preparing it in an earthenware pot. Why does everyone use the aluminum pots rather than earthenware? Just because of its ruggedness?
Thanks,
D
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Re: Clear Green Liquid
Mon, April 27, 2009 - 3:44 PMThis belongs in the Salvia Divinorum Tribe. This is a reference to the esssence of Salvinorum. There is no Salvinorin A or B, there is only one Salvinorin, and it's actually spelled 'nin. Like Nine Inch Nails logo, which doesn't stand for Nihilism. Approximate translation Annihilation. NIN, but with the backwards facing "N". Very tight like. -
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Re: Clear Green Liquid
Mon, April 27, 2009 - 5:17 PMיהוה
Keep dreaming brother!
You got big problems my friend!
Let us see of where your ego takes you now'
Ez
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Re: Clear Green Liquid
Mon, April 27, 2009 - 5:49 PMNixi Honi vision vine
boding spirit of the forest
origin of our understanding
give up your magic power
to our potion
illuminate our mind
bring us foresight
show us the design
of our enemies
expand our knowledge
expand our understanding
of the forest
And More to the point
Bush with markings of the serpent
give us your leaves
for our potion
bring us favour
of the boa
source of good fortune'
With the chant of the Boa, a giant constrictor appeared slowly gliding through the forest.
Blue lights intensified an intricate design of scroll configurations that seemed to float along the boa's spine.
Light flowed from his eyes and tongue.
The bold patterns on the snakes skin glowed with intense and varied colours.
You shall notice that the leaves of the "Bush with markings of the Serpent" are used' instead of the vine itself' this is the reason for the "Clear green liquid"
You got to really read of what Manual Cordova says to the author of "Wizard of the upper amazon"
Bliss
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Mon, April 27, 2009 - 7:41 PMFind out more about the clear green liquid at www.sagewisdom.org/danielsiebert.html -
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Mon, April 27, 2009 - 10:13 PMI'm not asking about Salvia divinorum.
Thank you though,
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Re: Clear Green Liquid
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 6:43 AMYes undestood' it is the leaves that turn the brew green' lots of leaves' plus also the vine being used is fresh'
Lots and lots of chloriphyl :))) Excuse I missed the part about the vine' the vine is wet vine' green vine' it is all mashed up with the leaves and stems' also fresh leaves and stems of other plants'
It comes out greeny amber' sometimes quite clear'
Bliss
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Tue, April 28, 2009 - 9:29 AMHere is something interesting about the Huni Kui Kaxinawáv Amahuasca Indians'
The first thing I learned was that ayahuasca is not a plant at all.
It is a large snake, a boa, that lives under the water.
One of the grandfathers understood my visions: It is ok that they are not sacred visions, in the way of our people.
In the old times there was another ayahuasca, which we call ninahuasca, the Vine of Light.
This huasca is now lost.
In those days we would drink ayahuasca to kill our enemies.
We would drink the huasca and then we would find them and spear them.
There was a lot of killing and they drank the ninahuasca to purify themselves.
And for this time' this is all I can find about Ninahuasca'
Bliss
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Tue, April 28, 2009 - 9:41 AMThanks Nobuoni +,
That is interesting.
Also I am thinking that they let it settle quite a bit and they dip off the liquid from the top rather than pouring it off. Most of the ayahausca I have seen made is not really settled and it is poured so that the sediment is also included. Often before pouring the shaman shakes the bottle as well.
I wonder if the sediment add to the strength of the brew? Or not?
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Re: Clear Green Liquid
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 10:19 AMMost of my brews are clear' kind of red' yellow'
I leave my tea to decant in the fridge for at least a week' all the sediment falls to the bottom of the bottle'
If I require a heavy purge I shake the bottle' but usualy decant off and reduce to drink'
Less nausia after the purge this way'
There are alkaloids in the sludge in the bottom of the bottle of which I just pour fresh made hausca ontop of'
When the sludge gets to about 2.5 inches I mix it with a little water and throw it into another brew'
Interseting info on Chagropanga vine'
The leaves of D. Cabrerana are also rich in DMT (Agurell et al., 1968; Der Marderosian et al., 1968; Poisson,
1965); in this plant, trace amounts of N-methyltryptamine (NMT), 5-Methoxy-N,Ndimethyltryptamine,
5-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine and N-methyltetrahydro-β-carboline
have also been found (Agurell et al., 1968).
N-methyltetrahydro-β-carboline is a RIMA'
Anyone ever just attempted to drink Chagropanga without Cappi vine' it should be orally active on it's own' in high enough doses'
Ninahuasca ?
Bliss
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Tue, April 28, 2009 - 1:12 PMThank you for the photos Nobuoni +
I can see the pinkish / reddish tint of your brews - looks very nice.
Have you ever seen a greenish iridescence in your brew? Maybe on the top?
I think I remember this at least one time before.
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Tue, April 28, 2009 - 2:06 PMI have had kind of green from fresh wet vine' white Cappi' it darkens as it gets cold and goes miky yellow/green/brown' then as of when you cook it to reduce it goes clear' amber clear'
Most of the time though my vine is dry' and the brews come out' amber red' or yellowish colour when using leaf'
You can make serious potent tea if you decant and reduce' I have also noticed the brews seem to mature if you leave them' sometimes they even ferment a little' giving off carbon dioxide as of when opened'
Sparkling Ayahuasca.:)
Of what you describe bro sounds like the chloriphyls in the plants' you fill yourself full of green vine' and the green of the forest vibrates in light harmony with you :)))
Blessings
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Tue, April 28, 2009 - 5:35 PM"you fill yourself full of green vine' and the green of the forest vibrates in light harmony with you"
Indeed!
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Wed, April 29, 2009 - 1:23 AMBliss' Indeed!
Be well
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Re: Clear Green Liquid
Sat, May 2, 2009 - 9:16 PMsounds like toe honestly...
toe is often repaired from just juicing the inner pulp of the stalk of the plant. a shot glass is taken by some toeros...
could be what the clear green liquid is...
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Sat, May 2, 2009 - 9:55 PMThe book is about Ayahuasca bro' Nixi Honi Vine that has the markings of the serpent'
Toe' is no vine' it is usualy called a "Tree"
Blessings
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Sun, May 3, 2009 - 12:29 PMi know i read it... but who knows the man could have been served up some toe, not an unusual thing... -
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Sun, May 3, 2009 - 12:52 PMI would of thought you stick enough "Toe" in Ayahuasca to turn her green' then embibed it' you would require a "Shaman" in your face at every turn' cos you would have no clue of what you where doing! .:)
Is this the only account of the Amahuasca Indians ?
Blessings
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Sun, May 3, 2009 - 12:55 PMno i think the green is just a shot of pure toe juice...
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Sun, May 3, 2009 - 1:03 PMShame no one checked of his writings' before he published them' cos he mixes his account up a wee bit !
The second part of the Nixi chant mentions' "Bush" having the markings of the Boa/serpent'
Blessings
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Re: Clear Green Liquid
Sun, May 3, 2009 - 12:12 AMI can't imagine any way Aya could be green or clear.
I'd say that the writer confused it with something else.
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Re: Clear Green Liquid
Mon, April 27, 2009 - 10:12 PMFirst the vine was cut into one-foot pieces with the stone ax and pounded on a flat stone with a large wooden mallet until it was well mashed.
The old man chanted:
Nixi Honi vision vine
boding spirit of the forest
origin of our understanding
give up your magic power
to our potion
illuminate our mind
bring us foresight
show us the design
of our enemies
expand our knowledge
expand our understanding
of the forest
A layer of vine pieces was then carefully arranged in the bottom of a large new clay pot. On the top of this was laid a layer of the leaves in the shape of a fan. And as he did this Nixi chanted
Bush with markings of the serpent
give us your leaves
for our potion
bring us favour
of the boa
source of good fortune
Then alternating layers of mashed vine and leaves were put in place until the pot was more than half full. Clear water from the stream was then added until the plant material was well covered.
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After several house of further cooling and settling, the clear green liquid was carefully dipped off into a small clay pots, each fitted with a tight cover.
As I read it they are using both the vine and the leaves from the boa plant to make their brew in the clay pot, not just the leaves.
D
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