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In a recent work with the medicine I saw someone have an older form come through. Their face changed. From within, teeth and fangs emerged to expose an older face from the prehistory of this persons consciousness. Their consciousness was clearly on a long journey and from the human shape they inhabit now I saw an older shape emerge. Baboon. It was crystal clear, powerful and intense to behold.
Since it occurred I've begun speculating on what I was being shown. It feels like the lesson was that it's consciousness that is the truer evolutionary track. That to be human is an opportunity that doesn't bestow any supremacy on it's own just for being in that form. That somehow what matters is the transformative movement of a deeper consciousness.
What's the goal? I don't know, I have an opinion, but that's just my take on it. What rocked me was the being-ness of consciousness as a beings deeper or more true self.
Since it occurred I've begun speculating on what I was being shown. It feels like the lesson was that it's consciousness that is the truer evolutionary track. That to be human is an opportunity that doesn't bestow any supremacy on it's own just for being in that form. That somehow what matters is the transformative movement of a deeper consciousness.
What's the goal? I don't know, I have an opinion, but that's just my take on it. What rocked me was the being-ness of consciousness as a beings deeper or more true self.
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 10:45 PMIf consciousness, when it manifest's as a person, say a human being, is just residing in a place, how does it inform the face of that place, the being that identifies as being only there, that it's just riding that form, surfing the world in that shape, collecting perspective or whatever it's doing and that it's not necessarily limited to that or by that one perceptual identity.
What if consciousness is sort of the neural web, the connected network of mind beyond individual view. What if it's all connected and our insistence on identifying so tightly with our identity as human cuts us off from the opening that may be present and accessible if we relax that grip on who we are.
What if who we are is a shape being ridden from within by a consciousness that's also riding cactus and bumblebee and sparrow and if so, how do we relax our grip and open to that? If we're not a billion individual beings, but one world of diverse forms being ridden or traversed by the consciousness, the ultimate sightseer.? Who's hitch hiking this galaxy from within? -
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 12:46 AMGayle made a terrific post in another forum describing her understanding of the nature of consciousness and identity. Let's see if I can capture what she said without mangling it too badly...
She said that there is a vast ocean of pure consciousness, existing outside of space and time, of which we are all a part. The self that we sense emanates from a unique point of view in the ocean of consciousness and this unique point of view persists whether it has form or not.
That would mean that, although there is a "connected network of mind" there isn't any point beyond which "individual view" dissolves. As I understand it, even when one's consciousness merges with the ocean, or connected network, there is still a point of view which experiences this merging. Of course, pretty much everything we presently identify as self would be shed in the process and yet, the unique point of view persists to experience the shedding, to experience the formlessness, to experience other forms or whatever else there is to experience. Furthermore, although "memory" as we experience it doesn't really come into play, experience leaves a sort of imprint on this point of view, so accumulated experience shapes the point of view and gives each a distinct and recognizable... face? so to speak. OK I'm foundering here, better stop. :) Maybe Gayle will chime in.
"What if who we are is a shape being ridden from within by a consciousness that's also riding cactus and bumblebee and sparrow and if so, how do we relax our grip and open to that?"
Apparently such transpersonal experiences are not at all uncommon among people undertaking various forms of shamanic journeying or holotropic breathwork. There are a lot of trip reports out there about shape shifting. People can discover obscure facts about other beings by becoming them, by transcending ego and identification with this form and inhabiting another, literally experiencing consciousness from the point of view of eagle or algae or the cliffs of Dover.
How is it done? There are a gazillion accounts out there of it happening spontaneously when people transcend ego. Recently I came across a bit about ritual postures, used for various purposes from divination to shape shifting. The one for shape shifting is called Tattooed Jaguar. I've not done any serious hunting (yet) for information on ritual postures but here are a couple of links that will give you an idea.
tinyurl.com/ygw9j6y
www.awen.co.uk/posture.htm
And then, there's always intention. Let go enough, hold strong intention, and maybe one can learn what it is to be platypus. -
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 1:06 AM"What's the goal?"
I've been asking "Why?" myself lately.
Contemplation of The Mystery has given rise, on different occasions, to both unbearable anguish and profound reverence.
At present I feel that posing the question is laughable in the face of such awesomeness. The answer is as self-evident as it is incomprehensible.
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 1:43 AMIf I did manage to experience platypus consciousness, would a platypus on the other side of the globe suddenly startle with a mouthful of half-chewed worm, wondering, "What in the world was THAT?!"
Somehow I think not, and yet, lots of people have experienced various sorts of "intrusion" into their consciousness and form by something perceived as "other".
In other words, would my point of view be creating a unique experience that is typical of Platypus consciousness, or would my point of view temporarily share form and experience with another point of view?
Gayle also had this to say about animal vs human consciousness: animal consciousness is defined at the species level, while human consciousness is defined at the individual level. This is borne out in those famous experiments with rats running mazes on different continents. Once the rats on one continent learned a maze, the rats on the other continent also knew it. OK, but I doubt that when I pet my cat, the neighbor's cat starts purring.
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 7:54 AMIt's all a question and I'm in no hurry to answer it.
The more perspectives the merrier, which is sort of how it is.. a gazillion points of reference..
"In other words, would my point of view be creating a unique experience that is typical of Platypus consciousness, or would my point of view temporarily share form and experience with another point of view?"
It may be that a point of view isn't the best place to park the idea of self, to settle in a fixed position, when it may be that relaxing the hold on that place, relaxing the defense of that small spot opens up some possibilities for a place to park the idea of self that may hold the same satisfaction without the need for a narrow scope. Still a sense of self, only encompassing more consciousness, with more windows letting in more light.
Who knows, I just keep digging...
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 1:26 AMThere is no goal..
There are beings far superior to our putrid minds...
One might consider them gods..
They use us for their pleasure...
We are like an experiment...see..?
They created some life and forgot lookin'....
Now shit is gettin' outa hands..
People are discovering them..
OW gawd... what evva shall we dooo....
We are the world..
Protectors of our planet...
Too bad we got so brainwashed by governments and assholes...
If you are lloking for any reason of existence.. I recommend reseaqrching history..
Find out how things became as they now are...
You will see giant leaps of consciousness throughout the ages..
The role of human during the Renaissance..
The ancient greeks and egyptians...
Study... and use your knowledge to spread the word..
Free your mind...open yourself up to the spirit..
"Awareness has grown.. so has ignorance..."
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 1:52 AMNo goal. Only the dance.
A goal is a linear construct. A goal is, by definition, not what is. Consciousness is. -
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 11:12 AMI appreciate sharing ideas and I see this one differently, not the right way or the "truth", but differently.
I think there is a goal. It may seem arrogant to suppose I can know the goal, or know if there even is one, but I'm part of all that is, and so in theory can access that bit of information if it exists. If I can't, and there is one, it may be because I'm limited in my ability to tap into it. If I say I can totally tap into it and therefor I know everything, the whole room groans out loud because that sounds kind of wacked, which it is, because I don't. I think it's as silly to say there isn't a goal as it is to say there is, but I think it's fair to say I feel like there is. I feel like a being with goals and that a feeling of purpose isn't just a dumb mutation based on severely limited consciousness. It actually feels to me like I'm tapping in to a purpose that's not just my little imagining.
I'm referring now to working with ayahuasca. What occurs in ceremony is mostly beyond my previous experience and knowledge base. That's actually why I go reverently into it. I come with my limited point of view and share my consciousness with the being, however you're comfortable naming it, and my perception and consciousness is widened, expanded, shifted, opened and lit up. By voluntarily relaxing my grip on what is and purposefully requesting assistance from Mama Aya, I place myself in a relational dance with someone who's consciousness is clearly more far reaching that my own. I give permission to be awakened, not to what I want to awaken to, but to what the medicine chooses to reveal to me.
Cheers, and thanks fore being in the ongoing exploration that happens around here. I appreciate your input and unique vision. -
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 12:41 PMIsn't life full of paradoxes; matter and wave, creation and destruction, life and death. Many have a yearning for purpose and yet many also have an inkling that everything is exactly perfect the way it is, perhaps because this IS the way it is. Look around at the rest of nature and we see the constant striving for self expression. Every flower seems to strive to be the best or most flower it can be. Every tree seem to strive to be the very best tree it can be. Are we so different. But nature also reflects deeper aspects of surrender, of accepting its place and circumstance; the ephemeral flower and the rooted tree, both bound and embracing so completely their place in time and space. Where is this place between striving and surrender . Perhaps this is yet another clue to let us know that yes, we are truly alive. -
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 3:11 PM"Where is this place between striving and surrender..."
Beautifully put, David. All the rest too.
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Fri, November 13, 2009 - 6:22 PMI appreciate your post as well David.
I do want to bounce off it a bit if you don't mind, not to contest the ideas, but to explore part of what you said.
"Many have a yearning for purpose and yet many also have an inkling that everything is exactly perfect the way it is, perhaps because this IS the way it is."
The IS part is open I think. I don't think the way we view things, even when there's a lot of agreement about it, is necessarily how it IS. :)
Anyone who says it's all perfect would need to include in that perfection how much they dislike death. If they say it's perfect that they deplore death, I'd say maybe it isn't. If they say death is all good, that it's natural and therefor not a problem, I'd think they are either being detached from their feelings or placing their ideas about life in a higher category than their feelings. You can intellectualize the idea of death to death and it will never be okay on a feeling level. it will never be devoid of grief and upset.
I guess I feel like people try to live with death because it seems like we're stuck with it and try to build a cosmology that rationalizes the unavoidable fact of it. Personally I think it's not what IS and that life isn't the opposite of death. That life is life and death is an idea of it's opposite we're intent on dramatizing. How's this for a wacky idea, what if the world isn't what IS, but is instead a dramatic reenactment of an insane idea on an obsessive compulsive loop called time? -
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 12:49 AMWe are only able to live in a large part because of Death. Our bodies are constantly dying and being born at the same time over and over again. Our worldly material life is actually made up of a billion+ little births and slightly less little deaths. As we age we begin to notice that the billion little deaths start catching up with the billion+ little births and we take longer to heal and recuperate. Eventually the billion little deaths will win and overtake the less than billion little births and something new and wonderfully fascinating in its own right will consume our bodies and make room for the next, what ever that may be.
I've read that in humans, the number of non-human cells, cells that have different DNA from ours, is actually larger than the number of human cells, cells which have the same human DNA. This always reminds me that what I think of as ME physically is actually a community. I like to believe that my thoughts and my feelings are mine alone but in reality they are shared by an entire host of other creatures.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_flora
And then I like to remember the Cordyceps fungus and how it is known to enter creatures and control them. The fungus enters ants, spiders and other insects and actually directs their actions, making them do things they would never ever do under their own direction.
www.youtube.com/watch
(I love science because it is another area where the more we know, the more we understand how little we know.)
These ideas I use as tools, like crowbars, to loosen my grip on what I think I know and even who I think I am. Who just thought this thought? Me, the bacteria in me, the fungi in me or all of us together. I really don't know. And when I fear death who is it that is really fearing it? Perhaps its the quadrillion bacteria.
- "Anyone who says it's all perfect would need to include in that perfection how much they dislike death. If they say it's perfect that they deplore death, I'd say maybe it isn't."
I think there may be some people who see it truly ALL as perfect but they are few and far between and for the rest of us it is just an ideal, an archetype of surrender, but not a sorrowful surrender, a surrender of awe.
- "If they say death is all good, that it's natural and therefor not a problem, I'd think they are either being detached from their feelings or placing their ideas about life in a higher category than their feelings. You can intellectualize the idea of death to death and it will never be okay on a feeling level. it will never be devoid of grief and upset."
I not sure I agree. I believe that over time we are able to modify our emotional responses with our beliefs. Imagine how people view the killing of a young chicken for dinner and then imagine how most people would view the same treatment of a young dog. It really depends where you grow up as to what you might feel. Move to a place where dog is considered a gourmet offering and eventually you will loose your disgust. So are we able to work with fear. Slowly but surely, as we learn more and experience more, we are able to modify our emotional response through understanding and wisdom. Death is really the Great Unknown and although we live in a universe of a zillion little unknowns we often have trouble with the big one, myself included.
I'm not recommending what some would call detachment or "stuffing", ignoring feelings until they become overwhelming or even ruin one's sleep. I recommend practicing perspective, gaining a meditative view of one's feelings, thoughts, what goes in and what comes out. Its like being alive and experiencing everything twice, once in the body and then again from a directors chair.
I agree that Life and Death are not opposites; I think they are stops on an infinite spiral train track of energy. And I also agree that the world isn't necessarily what IS, especially if what IS is what most people agree on what IS. Allthough on the other hand the world is exactly that!
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 3:20 AM"To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action"
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 8:12 AMTo question the basic assumptions of the world is part of how I feel coming out of work with the medicine. THE world and MY world, the one inside me.
The bigger the assumption, or the closer to being a core or foundational idea to the construct called the THE world the better.
Love increases every time, as though the world is full of love smashing ideas and weird love is the result of holding onto them and still wanting to be and feel love.
Feelings and emotions are very different. Feeling is a capacity, emotions are states of feeling, names for how feelings feel and so are twice removed from reality. The name is not the things yes and descriptions of descriptions have already wandered off.
This is a secret you have to discover with a being like the medicines and won't come to without them, no matter what kind of yoga etc. you try. Sorry to sound elitist, but the medicine has some capacity that just can't be replicated by some form of elaborate dancing, physical or mental. The medicine is conscious in a way that math is not. The medicine is a living being who's awareness is deeper and more complex that our own. I don't claim to know some special truth that only the medicine can supply and that the medicine has only shared with me.
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 8:15 AM
Thanks for walking off the map with me Geert and David and Madeliene and Rodrigo. This is quite the nice exploration.
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 11:39 AMDon't forget that you are also part of it..
I experienced a great healing power with ayahuasca. Also due to the fact that I was willing to surrender, and that I was looking for healing.
Two white orbs dove into my body and turned all negative into positive.
In the occult philosophy, guardian angels are observed as reflections of the higher self.
It is the ultraconscious that is communicating with the conscious.
Like when in dreams the sub-conscious commuincates with the conscious in symbols and figures.
You see... when the DMT hit the third eye there was a loud, slowed down... "CRACK"
Past-present and future were no more...
I saw the road of everyone I know.. every path of every soul opened up and meeting in this place.
I understood everything.. and why things happen as they happen.
Things unexplainable in words..
Like colors that cannot be described..
Totally in line with the universe.. that's what it was..
Like a rebooting of the system..
This body-machine system..
I had similar effects with the sacred mushroom.
Which is my weapon of choice, if I had a weapon to choose.
Reborn I have felt every time after communing with this entity.
I find the mushroom less forgiving.. and it can really whoop your ass.
But with the right mind, with the right intention, it shows you secrets of the universe.
Psilocybin mushrooms also contain DMT..
I take it with an amount of syrian rue.. maybe twice a year to go in deep.
Foir an introspective search that usually turns into a wandering through dimensions.
Doing a bit of miagic now and then to help the neighbourhood and all is fine..
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 2:50 PM
"It is the ultra-conscious that is communicating with the conscious."
"Don't forget that you are also part of it.."
Nice.
I'm asking the ultra-conscious to help me make room for it to reside more clearly and more accessibly within me. I open to being directed to what's in the way so that I can help to clear it, and to recognize what the are conditions that help sponsor it's presence are so that I can be aware of them and strengthen them. I ask for help with everything. Help in becoming a place or being that can hold more awareness of the ultra-consciousness.
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Sun, November 15, 2009 - 1:37 AM"This is a secret you have to discover with a being like the medicines and won't come to without them, no matter what kind of yoga etc. you try. Sorry to sound elitist, but the medicine has some capacity that just can't be replicated by some form of elaborate dancing, physical or mental."
but...but...ancient Tibetans didn't have ayahuasca and yet they saw stuff like this
ayahuasca.tribe.net/photos/b...10dea171a
which is pretty dang similar to what I've seen with the medicine(s) sometimes.
the medicines are very efficient but I don't believe they're the only way. I think it must be quite possible to commune with the spirit of the vine by means other than ingesting her. Not that I have, but human beings DO experience other consciousnesses in other ways.
those grinning serpenty-dragony guys, btw, have been very interesting teachers for me. :)
"Feelings and emotions are very different. Feeling is a capacity, emotions are states of feeling, names for how feelings feel and so are twice removed from reality. The name is not the things yes and descriptions of descriptions have already wandered off."
"I do claim that feelings, not emotions, are at the cusp of the remembrance of creation and the capacity to create is at depth not a theory or a story but a feeling."
It sounds like you're talking about a state in which one can perceive is-ness. A state in which one senses the impetus for emotion but does not engage with the emotion itself. When I accept completely what is there in the moment, with absolutely no judgment, no attachment, no story, no drama, I still know pain and joy but they... flow... endlessly in infinite configurations. It all opens up to reveal the most astonishing dance...the dance that is everything and which makes the question, "why?" shrivel up and die on your tongue. The question, "why not?" comes to mind, along with a sense that absolutely anything is possible. So you've been there, CG, and you didn't get the sense that it's all perfect? Still you want an articulable, humanly definable purpose? Well, that's a head-scratcher. I'm new at this. I wonder if/how my take on it will change.
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Sun, November 15, 2009 - 5:34 AMHey Madeleine!!
I agree with you..
I have had those visions as well.. haha..
Awesome Picture..
Before ever having a psychedelic experience I was already reading Jung and the Tibetan book of the dead..
I wonder what the experience wouild have been like without the knowledge I yet had..
I wonder how the experience would be for a baby..
For someone untainted.. so to speak..
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Sun, November 15, 2009 - 1:33 PMWell said posts Madeleine and Geert.
I'm sure their are techniques for achieving visionary states without the use of entheogens. It seems we must be part of whatever it is, the field in which incredible visions are apparent and visible because we can access them, but the access is different under different conditions. Maybe in one way you can open to the field by a technique and in another you can ride in in the shared consciousness of a being who seems to be awake there, like that particular field of consciousness part of their regular field and not an extraordinary one the way it is for me.
Whatever it is and however you achieve it, when I'm there it's always clearly filled with purpose. For me it's not a Zen type of everything is everything and it's all good or perfect. That's not my experience in the everyday field of consciousness either. My experience is organic, filled with the struggle to breath and not be eaten alive. Everything I see is reaching, on purpose, for the sun, or for a space in the sun to grow amongst all the other reaching beings. Reaching for light and air and nutrients. In my experience life is completely purposeful, and it's the purposes and the background conditions that have me digging for answers.
Here's a sort of exercise I made up. If you give yourself permission to imagine that it's possible....
Let's say your a creator. If you could make a world today and set the basic conditions for the interplay of all life, would you make a world like the one you find yourself in now? Would you put sharks in the bathwater and have the nutrient chain be based on everybody eating everybody else. How about communication, would it be only understood within species or would there be cross species communication?
Would you include a limited food source and atmosphere that needed to be competed for at every moment amongst all the breathers?
I see a world that is deeply conflicted. I don't try to reconcile all the conflict as natural and inevitable.
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Sun, November 15, 2009 - 4:35 PMThe sun is the father..
The moon is the mother..
The earth is the child..
We are it's children..
We are created from it's cycle.
It's spirit keeps in control..
The earth is big.. bigger then we can observe from where we stand.. we only know it from pictures..
Except if you are an astronaut...you have seen it as a whole..
The sun shines on us..we spin around him...
The moon influences us with her tides..
We live in the aura of the world..
It's heart.. it's compassion.. it's cruelty..
The rest of the milky way is so vast and empty.
Then suddenly you come to earth..
Here you have umbrellas, toiletseats, poopscoops, James Blunt.
There is a world. a sun and a moon in each one of us..
The world is the child, experience, the now, consciousness.
The moon is the mother, emotion, the past, the subconscious.
The sun is the father, sense of time, the future, the ultraconscious.
We humans are children of the earth..
Moving fingertips of her aura..
Born from it's dust..
Born from it's waters.
Born from it's fire..
Our world is blessed with the spirit..
By what..?
Satan.. the morningstar..
The snake that gave the apple to eve.
It was a vision of life itself. DNA as we know it.
It never really changed has it..
The spiritual landscape changed..
Our paradise had altered..
Because we lost respect for the sun, the morningstar..
Nietzche said "God is dead.."
Yet... satan lives..
The one that put the light in the heads of humans..
The sunlight... the light of ultraconsciousness..
By the eating of the earth's sacred fruit..
It's all very close to home.. this truth-thing...
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 9:10 AMCreation stories, from folklore, mythology or science are really interesting It was from receiving such a story in a work with the medicines that my whole questioning of the existing stories began. How we gather material for creation stories today is coming mostly from science. I don't imagine most Westerners or, pardon the term, populations in "1st world" countries lean much on the older myths as having any real validity.
Myself, I'm looking at what's offered in light of what the medicine has to say about it.
That's pretty much my whole thing. I'm involved in a sacred dance in consciousness with a meta conscious being who relates to me a different point of view, and one that is very much a story of purpose. That doesn't mean it's "the" truth, only that it's what's being expressed in my relationship with this sacred partner. To me it's completely relevant and with me it carries a lot of weight. With it I'm trying to find a way to be here. One that honors the story I've chosen to accept and live inside of. -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 12:37 PM"I don't imagine most Westerners or, pardon the term, populations in "1st world" countries lean much on the older myths as having any real validity. "
That is because the spirit is now a "product".
And people in power know this one fact that I will share with you right now..
Every person.. think of themselves better then the other..
It's a human trait...
How can one person be spiritual superior to another.. ?
They can't.... it's bullshit....
Because spirituality in that sense is a farce.. an illusion.. just as commercials you see on tv...
The Vatican has become a cultus of men with strange hats..
The pope has now officially declared that Hell does not exist.. hear that..?
HELL DOES NOT EXIST!!!! said the pope..
Visions of the ancients must be viewed and understood in the 'language' of the ancients..
The problem is that language has evolved to a new form in which the symbolism and meaning of words have changed..
A modern human cannot understand the literal words of the ancients.. whilst they don't speak the same language..
So the point of creation is only understood through love..
Pure love is a conductor for the knowledge of creation...
Dig it..?
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