Living With a Shaman & Tribe in the Peruvian Amazon

topic posted Thu, August 13, 2009 - 11:04 AM by  Rossauce
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Greetings....

I have been studying indigenous tribes and their knowledge of ethnobotany for the last couple of years. I have yet to actually go to the source and experience first hand the wisdom and mystique of these ancient peoples. I would like to live with a tribe in the Amazon for 8-10 weeks and engage in multiple Ayahuasca ceremonies. I am not interested in going through the commercialized/Westernized tourist route of leading large groups for the purpose of exploitation and $. I am looking to go off the beaten track and find a local liaison/translator between myself and the tribe, who can help introduce me to a tribe that would be open to hosting me. If you have any advice or information at all that you feel might help me in my journey, please let me know. I truly appreciate your insight and wisdom. All love and many blessings...

Ross
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Rossauce
Los Angeles
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  • CG
    CG
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    It's a tall order, but a great intention. Steve at singingtotheplants.com comes to mind. An experienced guy, mature and well traveled.
    I mention him because of the relationships he's succeeded in crafting and growing with this life around the medicines. I don't know all his history, but I always get a really sound feeling about the quality of his relationships to the medicine and also to his teachers and elders.

    He's the real deal where consideration and respect are expressed as values in relationship.
    • CG
      CG
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      I'd like to clarify that a bit. :)

      If you can interest him as a mentor I think he could guide you in this and in a way that would have real integrity. I can't speak for him or answer if he'd be interested, but if I was wanting what your looking for I'd start with Steve. I'd treat him with respect and as an elder himself because he's earned that honorific by his work and service in many fields, and because his knowledge in this field of medicines is both highly educated and built in real world experience over many years.

      Cheers.
  • "In the Amazon" or "in the Peruvian Amazon" only? Because you perhaps should consider Ecuador. Especially since you are interested in a "tribe" (eg, indigenous peoples) rather than mestizo practice. It would be possible to arrange a stay in a Shipibo community in Peru, but most of the Ayahuasca practice accessible to foreigners in Peru is mestizo, whereas in Ecuador Ayahuasca is practiced only in indigenous communities. Ecuador is much more off the beaten track for Ayahuasca tourism. Many indigenous communities encourage tourism, but it's "ecotourism" for visitors who want jaguars and monkeys and whitewater rafting and native dances. Foreigners almost never come to Ecuador for the purpose of drinking Ayahuasca. So you would be participating in the native practices, not in something tailored around foreigners.
    • Four friends and I did that (made it up as we went along) on our Amazon trip 15 years ago. One of us was totally bilingual Spanish-English and had kayaked and canoed solo in several Central American countries, three others were experienced trekkers, all five of us were familiar with ayahuasca and had stayed for a week in Pucallpa and gotten advice from Pedro Amaringo and others.

      We chose to set out from Iquitos, Peru, and stayed for a few days while we "interviewed" guides from our table at a street-side cafe every day. They ranged all the way from Germanic botanical experts to a young guy who'd never led a tour before but lived deeper in the Amazonian waterways, had an uncle who was a "shaman" and was eager to put us up with his extended family. We chose that option and had an incredible time.

      So it can be done with planning and epertise. And we never even considered ayahuasca tour packages. PuhLEASE!
    • The reason that I specifically mention that many indigenous communities in Ecuador have community-based ecotourism operations is that these communities have, as communities, made the decision to receive and welcome and share their culture with foreigners and organize this so that it benefits the community in some way. It is a different situation from when some tour guide from the outside tromps into a village uninvited with a group of camera-wielding tourists treating them like zoo animals and then leaving, which used to be the prevailing situation. Communities who have made the decision to receive visitors are willing to share their way of life, plant knowledge, and culture, etc., which happens to include Ayahuasca if you are interested.

      Just walking into some village has an impact on things there. If the village has made the choice to receive visitors, that means that they are trying to figure out ways to make the impact a positive one. I should add that in my experience, Indians throughout the Ecuadorean Amazon view gringos (which in Ecuador is a non-derogatory word for any European-looking foreigner) as their allies in their struggles to save their forest, because almost all the gringos they meet are ecological-minded save-the-rainforest folks. Without the support of such folks, their struggles against the petroleum companies and other destructive forces would have gotten nowhere.

      Think about ways to make your visit beneficial to the community you stay with.
  • In Ecuador, beware of brujos, charlatans and alcoholics - the vast majority of shamans here are those, and if you are inexperienced, you can be easily manipulated with. If you need help with arranging things with the right people, visit my projects webpage www.feathercrown.com.
    • CG
      CG
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      Ouch! That's harsh Wancho.

      Warning someone against the "vast majority" is a little bit out there. Do you actually personally know the vast majority of the shamans in the entire country? Even if you do, it's always a bit tricky to accuse folks when you run a business that competes with them.

      Cops need robbers to justify their job, armies need perceived enemies to have their wars and so on. What does a healing retreat center need.
      Maybe it needs folks interested in healing, but maybe it doesn't need folks scared to go somewhere else.
      • MJ
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        Well, perhaps vast majority is a bit of an exageration, but maybe in Wancho's experience, the statement could be true. There are brujo's who exist, and caution should be used when going to a foreign land. But you make a good point too, CG...
        • CG
          CG
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          :)
          • Based on experience in the Amazon and Central America I'd say that's wise advice, not harsh at ll.
            • Yes, wise advice, they're all brujos and charlatans there.....you know, except for the people he's associated with....ehhem, cough cough.....

              "but maybe in Wancho's experience"

              Not a bad idea to write these words when we express our opinions. In my experience it makes communication easier, heehee....

              :)
              • Heck, based on experience in Nepal and New York city. No, it's not just Wancho's experience we should depend on but our own and other experienced and informed travelers. Certainly I've known many who have been ripped off and worse.
                • Me too. They just didn't work at a place that offers the same service they were talking about.....
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    Ha! That IS a good point!
                    • CG
                      CG
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                      "but maybe in Wancho's experience" I appreciated that caveat as well.

                      I get a lot of folks saying about my regular job, "all those contractors are rip off's and will do bad work and charge to much". They follow with a contractor horror story about something that really happened to them. It's okay, but it doesn't really represent ALL the contractors even if it does represent a bunch of them. The folks who do that however rarely take responsibility for how they got into a relationship with them in the first place. The number one reason is that someone else recommended them which is a way of saying they got bad advice. They don't take responsibility for who they chose to take advice from or for the work they had done while they were standing right there. It's everyone else's fault.

                      In my experience, :) I'm responsible for the choices I make, and If I work on how I make them and how I manage them once they're made I'll make progress in getting into situations that work well and turn out well for me. Blaming someone else for what happened and how I got involved is kind of a lost opportunity for me to grow.
  • I came to Ecuador after something like 2 years of working with Ayahuasca on my own, brewing and drinking very often, and first I got very, very disappointed by the quality of the brew and the work of the shamans. There is a "shaman" in virtually every family - just ask anybody on the street and they will take you to your homes to get your money, but they won't do a proper work. By proper work, I mean strong and visionary brew, and a shaman who dieted properly and have powerful good spirits on his/her side. I think that true shamans, are only very, very few. I used to happily jump into a ceremony with an unknown shaman. Now I am very careful with whom I drink the brew - some scars you can get in those expriences can be as deep as the healings. Especially if you worked with a good shaman and received something, this can be poisoned, destroyed or removed by another shaman.
  • I'd give anything to study Shamanism in Peru! :P
    • Re:FeatherCrown & Wancho

      Sat, September 19, 2009 - 12:03 PM
      Last month I spent 10 days with Wancho and Don Lucho, who is an extraordinary shaman. His medicine was very powerful. Wancho is a kind, generous and very serious student of the medicine. I have been a student of ayahuasca since December 2000, primarily in Peru. I trust Wancho and I urge anyone interested in the medicine to contact Wancho directly. Don Lucho is a dynamic shaman and spent a great deal of time healing each participant. Don Lucho's retreat is not a "spa" and not for those who are only interested in a resort-style experience. Don Lucho is authentic and not a corrupt shaman.

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