This is the formula I am going to try: Peganum harmala (syrian rue) seeds mixed with Diplopterys cabrerana (chaliponga). Boil 10 grams of finely ground Peganum harmala seeds with 10 grams of finely ground foliage (leaves) of Diplopterys cabrerana. Read it out of an online website. I ordered everything from eBay. I cooked the DMT last night & put the Syrian Rue into capsules. I hope everything goes well. I have heard it can be an intense thing to go through. Just reading as much as I can before the actual trip.
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 6:16 PMWow don't take ten grams of Rue' struth' don't do it' for sure'~
Are you dead'
Motumbu'~
P.S. This is not Aya-huasca the vine of the dead' this is an anologue' of a MAOI' the Rue' and the light containing plants, Chagropanga'
Be extreemly careful with Syrian Rue'~
2-3 grams is enough for inhibition'
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Re: I am taking Ayahuasca tonight for the first time..
Thu, April 17, 2008 - 6:33 PMMotumbu gives good advice - hope you read this before you do it!
Is it true that Caapi root has more effect than simply the mao inhibition? And I wonder similarly about the syrian rue? I read read reports from people even claiming to use actual mao inhibitors out of the medicine cabinet along with the DMT leaf but I thought that the vine was kind of the heart of the matter in all of this?
All I can say from personal experience is that the syrian rue can give you one holy hell of a headache! Makes you pay really close attention to the "foods to be avoided" on those mao warning lists! I was not as respectful of the rue as I was of the vine - mistake! This is the kind of headache that makes your toes curl - all the more reason to use only the amount you need for inhibition of the enzymes. -
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 9:14 PMyou will rue the day you take to much syrian rue that much i can tell you...
watch your doses very carefully.. do your home work, cross refference... and be greatfull there are those stupid enough to make mistakes so you dont have too!
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Re: I am taking Ayahuasca tonight for the first time..
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 4:40 AM10 g of Rue is too much. 2-4 g should be fine. Don't eat the powder, brew or cold soak it.
10 g of Chaliponga can be anything from inactive to overwhelming, depending on your batch.
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 1:54 PMYes you are all right.. I took way too much Syrian Rue. I will be more careful next time. I got some more Diplopterys Cabrerana. I think I will experiment again. Here is also how the first time went:
My experience with Ayahuasca
Okay here is my account of my experience with Ayahuasca. I got all my instructions from:
www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/aya_01.htm
I choose the Ayahusaca analog choice 3. Mostly because it seemed like the most intense of all journeys & I wanted it to be very intense. Let me just tell you I got what I asked for and then some.
I started out preparing the DMT at my girlfriend Lorraine's house. I cooked the DMT for about 2 hours. I combine it with some ascorbic acid I got from a place called the Herb Room. I also divided the Syrian Rue into capsules. I had a bunch of the capsules much more than I would need for one dose. I ended up taking six capsules which was WAY too much esp. considering the Syrian Rue was x10 strength. I got all my supplies from eBay. They of course say it's for incense so they won't get in trouble for selling you Ayahuasca. I had 1/2 ounce of DMT [Diplopterys cabrerana (chaliponga)]& 1 ounce of the MAO inhibitor (Syrian Rue).
Like they suggest doing I fasted for 24 hours. When I took the Syrian Rue I had basically nothing in my stomach. I did drink a little hot chocolate which I ended up throwing up later. They were not kidding when they say you're probably going to throw-up. I don't think I have ever thrown up as much as I did on AYA. Around 6 PM I took six Syrian Rue pills. Then I went to this graveyard called the Evergreen Cemetery. I waited until ten past 7 before I took the MAO. I was already beginning to feel light headed from the Syrian Rue alone. I thought I better drink this stuff fast. So I did. I drank it & about 10 min later I began throwing up. The puking & dry heaving lasted the entire trip.
I had a lot of visuals. I felt very ill so the less I moved the better it was. I had a real body high too. I felt very drunk. It was like being very ill on drinking way too much. I know I over did it on everything. For some reason I didn't believe the directions & thought I knew better by taking way too much into my body. My stomach certainly didn't like it. I was lying on the black earth puking my guts out with visuals EVERYWHERE. It was like some of the visions I had on mushrooms or acid but much more intense. All the trees & leaves kept changing into Faeries. I saw a mother plant instructing her close by baby. Like a mother playing with her child. I was getting cold laying there on the ground but through shaking & imagining fire rushing through my body I was able to keep myself somewhat warm. I kept thinking about the Tibetans & how they can learn to even melt snow & stay warm. It was difficult. I kept thinking about moving to my warm van but somehow I could not get up off the ground or will myself to walk. Just imagine being totally wasted on a bottle of Vodka or something & not being able to walk & having the spins really bad. That is what it was like. I know I over did it with how much I took into my body. I did about 5 times the amount I should have.
The visuals were great though & the only thing that would make me wants to do it again. If you have seen the Green Man then you might know about what I was seeing in the leaves. They all kept changing into faces. Also branches became arms. I felt like I was seeing nature the way it was for the plants. I felt very connected with the earth energy. I felt as if I was being watched by the trees & plants around me & they were all smiling at me. After lying on the dirt for what seemed like hours I finally managed to get up. I was very shaky on my feet & it took all my effort not to fall down. I walked very slowly back to my van. It felt like it took an eternity to get there. On the way I had some AMAZING visuals. Solid things had sparks of energy coming out of them. Especially cars.. Cars had these sparks is the best way I can describe it coming out of them. I walked also around a spiral staircase & there was energy coming out of the circle.
When I finally made it back to my van I couldn't even imagine doing something like zipping up the sleeping bag I just lay under & covered up the best I could. I was shivering but somehow this seemed like part of the trip. I was meant to be cold. Everything really seemed like it was meant to be the way it was. I spent the rest of the night thinking about my life. It was pretty dark stuff I was looking at. I was thinking about my girlfriend from High School a lot & about my mother. It is hard to talk about all my realizations, they just kind of got stuck in my head. I ended up staying awake all night & not feeling any tiredness. I went to lunch the next day where I normally go for free meals. I was very annoyed by everyone around me & everything was much amplified. It was like being totally hung-over & drained completely. I couldn't eat that much without feeling sick. I ended up going back to my van to rest. I took some of my psyche meds & fell asleep. Lorraine ended up showing up at my van when it got dark out. I guess she wanted to see how I was doing. I ended up going back to her house & passing out again. I was so drained.
All & all it was interesting but very hard to deal with at times. The body high & the visuals were amazing but all the puking was very distressing. I would maybe do it again sometime if I took much less of the ingredients. I think I just over did it. If you try AYA I would suggest you read all the info first & actually follow their advice unlike I did. -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 2:01 PMalso, as i understand it, medications, like the "psych meds" you mentioned are better avoided a little before and after dancing with ayahuasca.
sounds like you learned alot!
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 3:12 PMI had been toying with the idea of Mimosahuasca, since my attempts at ayahuasca seemed fruitless (long story no point).
I ate 3 grams crushed Rue seeds and drank 13.4g (the size of one strip of inner root bark) crushed and boiled...
The body high and mild euphoria was strong with the Rue from the get go... The drink was bad... bleh... and an hour went by...and another....I had an incredible body high but nothing past any threshold of any kind. Then I had a tuna/mayo sandwhich...
Just about as I finished, things started changing, my legs and arms wobbled and sprung out like they were stretching rubber and the furniture began to melt. The furnace opened wide and I saw fire down in side that quickly went away. I close my eyes and listened hard, some song was in the back ground, but it was the chanting, more moaning I heard all around me that took my attention. Some CEV but nothings significant. Near all the effect quickly subsided within a matter of minutes.
Now, something inside me tells me I need direction and shouldn't come about this all alone, with no one at my side...which i was. Wish I was brave enough on my own. It's cool how some of you can. I used a lot of entheogens in my life, but I can tell this is going to be something wholly other, and I may need help along the way. So, my second "first" time will be this fall, when I can make the trip down South. -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 11:30 PMHe he he' Bro' if you had ate the Rue, then waited an hour, then downed the light' you would have exploded all over the your known gallexy and then some more' All of yout reflections would have been your reality for a possible six hours'
I once did 2.8g of Sirian Rue and 8 grams of mhrb' blasted blasted blasted, I could not even wrote about the experience, suffice to say I found myself on the bathroom flood, made of triangles, shitting' he he he'
13 grams of woods has a possible 130mg of spice in it'~
If you had been fully inhibited, well need I say no more' I found 8 grams mor ethan I could bare at the time'
I drink a lot of aya' but do not go corragious like this one'
As I say you where lucky the bodies mao killed most of the spice'
Cos' he he he' wooooooooooooooooooooooosh 13.4 grams mhrb' :)'~
You should also watch of what you eat, any bacteria in the mayo could have given you the headache of your life'~
Just sour bread and a little fruit is good' don't go playing with them other chems, cos the migraine is awesome and then some more'
Be careful brother'
Bliss'~
Motumbu'~
Drink the inhibitor first, then an hour later follow it with the light' if nothing happens within the next hour, eat a little piece of sour bread, no yeast'
You shall journey then for sure'
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 6:16 PMyou could more easily call your concoction a variety of the drink "jurema" (instead of "mimosahuasca") which is used by itself in certain parts of brazil. jurema is the name of the tree which is usually identified as mimosa hostilis. jurema is also the name of a female forest entity who is associated with the tree and the drink. She is depicted as being an Indian woman, or cabocla. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 2:36 AMJurema is drunk without a maoi'~
So neither of these anolugues are close to aya-huasca'
huasca means vine'
Lovely picture clancy of the female forest entity, of what is a cabocla'?
Strange to be an Indian woman in south america, or did you mean south american indian'
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 12:51 PMjurema hoama i think is the best name for it...
or perhaps a hoama mimosa...
a cold water infusion of mimosa hostilus root bark mixed with syrian rue could be called a hoama mimosa on the rocks... lol... wait no you would have to add ice...
mimosa is also a delicious breakfast drink of orange juice mixed with champagne CHEERS ; )
but yeah mimosa or jurema-huasca is a silly name... even if ayahausca is in it and rue is not worked with... then its still just ayahausca doesnt matter what you mix with it...
but i do like the jurema hoama... problem with that though is that jurema is brazilian where as alot of mimosa comes from mexico... so if its mexican mimosa we cant call it jurema... and well then there is cultural propriety of both hoama and jurema... so you might want to drop the culturaly significant names all together and just go with a Rueful Mimosa... or you could just call it your own thing... maybe a play on words... like a RUED awakening hehehe...
or my personal favorite ask the plant mix what it would like to be called... and just go with that... i think its funny how we humans allways go about naming things that are self aware and probably have their own self designations...
: )
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 11:37 PMAwesome Ariel, excellent acount bro'
You would do well not to eat the Rue as suggested, boil it in acidic water strain and drink that, or get some vine'
You shall do this again, no? he he he nice one'
Lovely infact:)'~
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 8:26 AMI did eat the rue approx. one hour before...which is why I was surprised. Maybe because of my size (5'10, 230lbs) the ammount of rue or mimosa was just too little. Or perhaps the quality was one that was lower...im unsure.
I have contemplated doing it again on me own, but honestly I a strongly considering waiting until this fall, when Ill make a trip to Peru. Iquitos seems to be the place I will be going, recommended by foreigners and peruvians alike.
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