Ayahuasca, property and money: colonial enterprise in development

topic posted Mon, July 6, 2009 - 2:52 AM by  tucuna
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Some say that buying land for preservation/conservation is a good thing. Some say that charging money for ayahuasca is not a bad thing. I think they are wrong - blissfully ignorant of history and contemporary political developments.

The first part of this was previously posted as a reply to an old thread - and two paragraphs has been added below about money.

Buying land - that is acquiring exclusive rights over land - is a particular European idea, which even with the best intentions of preservation, nevertheless, at any rate, both perpetuates the imaginary of exclusive land ownership and of course turns the piece of land into a commodity (that can be then be bought and sold, - so, should the son of a family suddenly decide that the city is cooler, he sell the land to developers).

It can only be understood, at best, as a short term tactic. As a strategy it is self-defeat - and reflects the processes of land enclosures that defined the transition into capitalism in England and the the consequent conquest of the world. Once turned into a commodity, a piece of land becomes a parcel, a thing, the future of which depends entirely on the owner. It leaves it in the trust of the enduring sincerity of individual humans, who are always imperfect and incomplete - that is why we have communities: we are not very good on our own, sort of helpless and untrustworthy in inter-generational terms. Individual ownership of land can also go to the head of people - and people often change when loaded with cash or power.

That is the very core of capitalism and colonialism: rendering land under the control of individuals, outside the reach of the communities to which it used to belong, collectively, the land where the people belonged and the land belonged to all. It feels empowering, but it disempowers community. Breaks it apart.

Once a commodity, land becomes prone to market changes, recession in the (ayahuasca) economy for instance. Anything could happen - and it does: some community leaders, who have been granted title of a piece of land, sell it for extraction or development. It is a smart tactic by the state acting in private interest to "give" people exclusive landowner rights, because then, and only then, can they _legally_ purchase it from them. In the end, they have nothing, but they were treated with legal respect. It was in the moment of claiming the rights that they were cheated, but were fooled to believe it was a victory. Blindfolded. Individual entitlement is a Trojan Horse, it is black magic, the dark side at play, and we all now what happens if you play with those forces.

My father always said about things like these: It is like pissing in your pants when you are really cold. It makes you warm for a little bit, but then you get really cold.

All that said, perhaps it seems like the only possible way to get things done and preserve some land, here and now, and it does, at first, sound like a good thing when a good family can acquire more land, so that they can keep practicing and preserving, but leaves us with the simple question, as with the original enclosures of land, namely: what about all those Kichwa people (and indigenous peoples elsewhere) who cannot afford to buy land? Are we simply creating an indigenous elite of land owners, while the rest will have to move to the city?

Development theory and practice is complex stuff, but one thing can be noted in general: if the core tools and techniques involved are of a Euro-American developmentalism kind, then it is crucial to reflect extra deep and take proper pause to think, consult history books, philosophy arguments and anthropological stories.

When it comes to money and commodity forms - well the situation is slightly similar, but simpler. A good question to ask is this: What is, apart from private property, the biggest, most central problem of Euro-American culture (which, like private property, has been imposed on the rest of the world)? MONEY and the COMMODITY form. What Euro-American culture needs healing from is exactly the single-minded consciousness that the "need" for money generates. If ayahuasca is to heal Euro-American culture - and not just be a plaster on the wound of capitalism (see: colonos.wordpress.com/2008/09...italism/ ), then it must circulate freely, outside the form of commodities. There can be some sort of token exchange of money, if need really be, but ayahuasca presented as a commodity form as organisers around the world do, is a sad development - a new business model - a treatment of symptoms, not of root causes. In the bigger scheme of things, making cash, making a living on ayahuasca - for foreigners - is a selfish, colonial enterprise. Giving it away for free is the road to liberty. Amazonians are under a lot of pressure and cannot do that - that should be "our" contribution to a culture of planetary healing.

When it comes to doing ayahuasca business in the Amazon - not just back home to rich, bored housewives - there is another thing of which most are terribly ignorant: local dynamics. In the moment you support one shaman, you generate envy and jealousy in all the others - and there are MANY. Picking out a few - the "best", "hand-picked" and so on - is a process of elite building, and that is exactly what the colonisers have always done, since the Roman era: divide and conquer. Organising in the Amazon requires an outspoken collective form where the cash profits does not end in the pockets of individuals, chosen by a foreigner. Without collective form that clearly goes across family and community boundary the end result is the same as with private property above: you have pushed people deeper into the world of individual ownership, accumulation and separation from community - in other words: into our world. Meanwhile, their world is gone, preserved in a retreat centre that only foreigners can afford to attend.

That is what private property and money do.
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tucuna
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  • OK this post totally irks me for so many reasons I cant hold back any more. You may think otherwise but that's the beauty of life.

    Let me say that in no way is it my intention to disrespect you or your views, but I just don't agree with what you are saying.

    I don't believe there is anything intrinsically wrong with charging for ayahuasca ceremonies, plain, flat and simple. If people find it in their path to make a livelihood from helping people and that helping includes aya ceremonies then more power to them. If their intention is to enslave, harm, burden or take advantage of others then no, that's not a good thing. But that is true of everything, aya ceremonies included.

    Buying land is not a bad thing and It has been a fact of our world history for thousands and thousands of years and is only partial a legacy of European and the USA influences. Once agriculture began over ten thousands years ago static land began to hold a value apart form the world of hunter gatherers. This valuing of land, trading, buying and selling is our species legacy, my legacy and your legacy. No single person can wash their hands of this legacy by simply pointing their finger across the water towards the empire that is now, and temporarily, the most powerful. Its our legacy together, not apart, and when we as a species evolve to a higher understanding then we may no longer need this tool but it has served us, for better or worse, for a very long time.

    To say that buying and selling land is "black magic, the dark side at play" is simply ludicrous. Acts themselves mean very little. It is the intention of the act which defines it. We may all have our judgments about what is "light" and what is "dark" but to truly know someones intention means to know their heart, and this does not happen without love and trust. Buy land with your heart. Sell land with your heart.

    There is nothing wrong with money. Nothing at all. Never was and never will be. Money is as godly and divine as anything else on this earth. You can kill someone with a hummingbird, does that make them bad? Hardly. Use money for what you will but it is as neutral a substance as ever there was.

    "When it comes to doing ayahuasca business in the Amazon - not just back home to rich, bored housewives" I feel your portrayal of our burgeoning N. American ayahuasca scene is rather hateful and mean spirited. This is a scene I am a part of and although I don't take your words personally I feel you have chip on your shoulder. Good luck with that one brother.

    "In the moment you support one shaman, you generate envy and jealousy in all the others - and there are MANY. Picking out a few - the "best", "hand-picked" and so on - is a process of elite building, and that is exactly what the colonisers have always done, since the Roman era: divide and conquer." Oh please. Local dynamics happen with and without our visits. We didn't invent jealously or any other dysfunction so please don't blame us for it. And there are plenty of people in the jungle with narrow minded intentions (think big oil companies) and here you are picking on a handful of visitors who for the most part are interested in furthering their spiritual development.

    All the best,



    David
  • Nice post. Some of the ideas presented are plugging into the archaic law of kingships and kingdom. Yes, the land never meant to be owned. Regardless of the money and paper what people assign to land, it is never owned, it is only borrowed- for a time being. Royalties were good to keep the lease for thousands of years-layman were lucky to hold it for a lifetime. Doesn't matter. Only 60 years ago about half of the current population borrowed the land. The numbers are changing, but some perennial values are not.

    As for charging for land or ayahusca. Initially, money had a different value, it was included in the ritualistic-sacred way of trading within a certain class. The last century was the fulcrum of the extreme degradation of money into quantities from quality. Today we face a massive, worldwide financial devaluation (hyperinflation).

    From spiritual perspective, charging a fixed fee for a "sacred ceremony" or "ritual" is an oxymoron. By conducting the ayahuasca rituals in this way, it becomes a business, a profit oriented operation. It has nothing to do with anything "sacred", not even spiritual.
    The only acceptable way would be if the ayahuasca sessions were funded by donations.
    Meaning, it is up to the individual to judge and decide, how much a ritual worth. By selfless donation, the issue of profit and business is neutralized. This is the case with Vipassana retreats; these are funded and maintained by donations and it is acceptable and functional.

    The problem with charging a fixed fee for anything "sacred" is the EGO. When the Ego pays for something, there are expectations, demands, wants and want-nots. When donating, the Ego is eliminated and one will donate (after the ceremony!) as much one values the experience. The problem is not the presence of the money, but how the money is acquired.

    There are good ways and bad ways. Unfortunately, seems like the "ayahuasca industry" is jumping on the wrong bandwagon. On the long term though, I expect to see retreats, sessions or ceremonies organized, based on donations. God willing.
    • Boy, I guess I'm just the lone contrarian here.

      "Yes, the land never meant to be owned." What exactly does that mean? Where did you hear that? My sources say that yes, land was meant to be owned, at least for a little while. In fact the land actually likes a little ownership thrown in every 20 billion years or so.

      "It has nothing to do with anything "sacred", not even spiritual." I would guess that Maestros would argue that money from ceremonies that goes to feeding their family is indeed sacred and spiritual regardless if its donated or prix fixe. Who is it exactly that says what is "spiritual' and "sacred" and what is not? Perhaps I never got the "Sacred and Spiritual Rule Book" as I still think its in the intention not the act.

      "When donating, the Ego is eliminated" The ego is never eliminated. Its yours to keep until you die so make friends with it. If your lucky you can find a balanced relationship with your ego but to think you can eliminate it, or even want to, is misguided in my view.

      "There are good ways and bad ways. Unfortunately, seems like the "ayahuasca industry" is jumping on the wrong bandwagon." How people can take something so beautiful and paint it so grossly? I don't understand. Perhaps I'm not meant for this tribe. Again it seems that there are so many undeniably horrible atrocities in our would that spending time ragging on ayahuasca tourists seems ridiculous especially given that most of what people complain about are pure assumptions. Does anybody actually know a shyster shaman?

      So again I say that I have written this with the best intentions and wish everyone the very best,



      David
      • >>My sources say that yes, land was meant to be owned, at least for a little while. In fact the land actually likes a little ownership thrown in every 20 billion years or so. <<

        Perhaps it's time to update those sources.

        >>Who is it exactly that says what is "spiritual' and "sacred" and what is not? Perhaps I never got the "Sacred and Spiritual Rule Book" as I still think its in the intention not the act. <<

        In my world, every living entity is sacred. With other words, Life is Sacred. Now you can decide, whether the Land (which is an analogue for the Earth, the Planet, Gaia) is an object or commodity or a living, organic entity. Living entities or Life in general cannot be "owned", sold or bought. There is lot more to it what is sacred, but this is an important entry point. Looks like you never got the "Sacred and Spiritual Rule Book". Our ancestors put down some info regarding spirituality in the Bible, Koran, Talmud, Upanishads, the Vedas, Pali canon etc. It's never late to catch up.

        The Ego can be eliminated. If you never experienced this, you probably don't know, what selfless giving or selflessness means. The Ego can be transcended. This isn't mean that the Ego is an enemy, rather a stage of mind. Transcending the Ego, our Higher Self can be the guide.

        You mention "undeniably horrible atrocities". The biggest atrocity for me is the objectification of Life. The ayahuasca industry is plugging into this realm and this is why I question the motives. This isn't going to prevent hundreds of ayahuasca tourists to put down thousands of dollars to get high in the jungle. They may have a great experience, a good time out, a superb high, but this has nothing to do with anything we can call spiritual. I consider every shaman a shyster who charges money to "heal" or rather sell the illusion of healing for naive folks.

        Shamans are mediums for higher energies. They don't "own" these energies, but transmit them. Being a shaman is not a profession (job), but a mission, a special karma. Those who pose as shamans in the ayahuasca industry are businessmen, working for profit and wage.
        I wonder, they could survive in the jungle without the fat dollars for thousands of years, now suddenly they can't feed their families without the ayahuasca money?

        The sad conclusion is that WE degrade them, shamans and the ayahuasca to a grossly material level instead THEY could elevate us into spiritual realms. After all, this is the Kali Yuga. The gravity is pulling strong,
        • Quite amusing how we disagree. Certainly one of the more fascinatingly beautiful perplexities of life.

          But we do agree on this point: "In my world, every living entity is sacred". I too believe that every living entity and actually everything is spirit and as such sacred. The good and the bad, its all spirit and all sacred, and I tend to keep my distance from people who want to limit the scope of this belief by pointing out what is and is not sacred or spiritual.

          There may be people who have transcended their ego but I do not believe I have ever met one nor do I expect to. In fact if someone were to say that they themselves have transcended their ego I would absolutely believe the opposite as enlightenment has no interest in boasting or even simply pointing out such aspects of its own character. Thus again I tend to keep my distance from people who claim they are enlightened and most who say they know the way.

          "The biggest atrocity for me is the objectification of Life." This is another fascinatingly beautiful perplexity of life. Personally I hope to enjoy the "objectification of life" until I die where upon I understand I will no longer have any need for material objects. As I said before I believe that objectification, as its part of everything, is indeed sacred and instead fighting it I should relished and appreciated it for what it is and strive for a loving balance with it in my life. Not that it should be the conductor of the train but one of the much appreciated passengers.

          "I wonder, they could survive in the jungle without the fat dollars for thousands of years, now suddenly they can't feed their families without the ayahuasca money?" They survived in community and by my understanding they were indeed paid with commodities and services such as food, drink, shelter and labor. What source do you have that suggest that curanderos living in a traditional jungle communities were not compensated in some way for their services? Unfortunately the encroachment of the so called "modern world" has devastated these communities and they no longer function as they once did. And today these traditional healers need to deal with their newly acquired world in modern ways. To ask them to go back to accepting donations or chickens for their work is in my opinion living in denial of the challenges they face and in my reality missing the heart of what is important in their work; intention.

          Perhaps you might pause for a moment and consider all the hard working, loving, and well intentioned maestros you are painting with your broad brush.


          Good luck,


          David
  • interesting reading since i've been considering the ayahuasca tourist route a bit...and it does give me the creeps that the expense would exclude a whole lot of people from the experience...

    hmm. what i wonder is how to navigate this colonial enterprise private property thing....versus donations/sacred/cultural respect thing...when you are an american and wanting to spend time with the big mama in her native home...but people are still steeped in money culture and need to feed the family...when there is no community organizing...and when you want to find a shaman who is doing work from the heart (which one could label "elitism" if you like....or alternatively..."concern for my psychological safety"). perhaps just staying home instead..?

    i certainly have reservations about the way money has commodified...everything. and some sadness and frustration about feeling stuck in a very old shared reality agreement that has been a source of a lot of pain and alienation and earth hurt (and some gratitude for what i have by the way). but the theoretical stuff really leaves me hanging. like...hmmm...how to make ayahuasca available by donation on land that is not owned by anyone? how to cultivate community effort when most people (so i imagine anyways) are already forsaking old traditions in favor of more money making enterprises? seems awfully tricky...like the only thing that could help would be a massive collective shift in consciousness (which is certainly not beyond possibility)...but...egads...what to do in the meantime...

    anyways, tucuna, i'm genuinely curious with my questions--are you building community in a way that incorporates ayahuasca?
    • isn't money just energy? good thing can be done with and bad things can be done with it. the amount of work these shamans, curanderos, do on themselves in order to perform there healing services you would think they should be reimbursed in some form of energy, as this is what they give up. whether through donation, food, services or even money.

      i guess you would just have to go sit in the jungle and apprentice with some shaman for who knows how long and see what you go through. doing endless and i do stress endless amounts of dietas, months at a time, sitting alone in a hut just you and your ego. this is true amanzonian medicine, not just drinking ayahuasca, then come back and start performing 5-6 hours ceremonies with 10-20 people, 2-3 times a week and then tell me if you will charge them for it. let alone you having to pay for the medicine, the troubles and risk you put yourself in if you are doing them in country where it is classified has illegal. (as along as you are coming from a good place in your heart)

      ahh the ego. as long as we keep saying " I this" " I that" "I am" "poor me" "me me me me me" " i i i i i i " it well always be there. just count how many times we say " i " in a day and let me know who that is. we just need to stop identifying with it all the time and always creating this duality and soap opera in our mind.

      poor me

      may this find you well and happy


    • Hi Catie, Contact me when you are in Peru, and I will introduce you to real people from the river, and the cost is not an arm and a leg. I remember paying for ceremonies with mapacho and food. We are now in a state of colonial invasion, with the point of everything being money, money, money. But there is still something of purity, or at least a purer than the Gringo-tourist circuit. The scams going on are disgusting.
  • Hi Tucuna, You are absolutely right, but there ae too many thick persons on this site, who have no understanding, but only this Capitalist/greed-based sensibility. You will hear from the geniuses who think Hamhead Souther is some kind of prophet, when in reality he is nothing but profit. Then there is the Temple of the Way of Light, a total scam engineered by a British real estate executive. The Temple took in a healthy $18,000 during a two week period, and it presents itself as non-profit. Really spiritual, huh? But forget about any real understanding from them. They are too immersed in their comfortable existence There are those who take Ayahuasca and there are those who know Ayahuasca. Many here have taken it, but there is very strong evidence that they dont know Her. If they did truly knew her, they would not have this incredibly innocent and ignorant attitude. Then of course you have the "intellectualizers", those who want to break down Ayahuasa as if it were a jigsaw puzzle. Maybe they need a little understanding tof the gestalt of it all. Hamhead Souther gave the most ridiculous presentation at the conference, and all his duped devotees followed his words as if he were saying something. Most of us stood and chuckled. A truly brilliant presenter, at least in the humor category. Someone completely full of himself and self-assured in his questionable mission. (Gee, I wish I had a daddy with connections, who could help me become a shaman.) Good luck, Tucuna, in spreading your meanigful message, even though it will fall on deaf ears.
  • Hi Tucuna, This is to let you know what kind of people are on this tribe. I have just received the most violent, obscenity filled message from the great, spiritual member by the name of CG. It really takes an idiot to think that he can at the same time be spiritual and threaten violence. I want everyone to know that CG has an incredibly violent streak in him. He now states that ther clock is on, he knows where I live and he will deliver retribution at any moment. He is showing himself to b

    This subnormal has also threatened to reveal my activities to my employer. This must me that he thinks Ayahuasca is something bad. I personally think my activities are protected by the Constitution. After all, what I do, I do with a religious mindset. I do not at any moment approach this as if I were taking drugs. CG seems to think the opposite.

    I will be glad to post his letters on this site, should any of you ostensible spiritual pilgrims care to hear it.

    I would also like to thank this gentle Embrace for betraying trust.

    It seems to me, on this site there are many with darkness in their hearts and dollar signs in their eyes. They are unable to see beyond their culture.

    If you people had any Spanish skills, you would be able to talk to the people here and truly know the resentment they feel for this foreign cultural invasion.
    • >>>I personally think my activities are protected by the Constitution. After all, what I do, I do with a religious mindset. I do not at any moment approach this as if I were taking drugs.<<<

      In the United States, possession of dimethyltryptamine -- a Schedule I controlled substance -- is a felony, with a penalty of as much as twenty years in prison.

      I cannot think of a court that has accepted the argument that your mindset is sufficient to carve out a religious exemption to the Controlled Substances Act.

      And be aware that the free exercise clause of the United States Constitution does not, under current interpretations by the United States Supreme Court, allow for religious exemptions to laws, such as the Controlled Substances Act, of general applicability. Such exemptions are provided for under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which applies only to the Federal government, and not to prosecutions brought by state or local agencies under state laws.

      And even then RFRA provides little protection for people who are not members of established churches, such as Santo Daime and UDV, that use ayahuasca under strictly controlled ceremonial circumstances.

      I urge you to consult an attorney knowledgeable in these matters. I truly believe that your understanding of the current law is incorrect, and I personally would not bet my liberty on it.

      -- Steve
      www.singingtotheplants.com/
      • "If you people had any Spanish skills, you would be able to talk to the people here and truly know the resentment they feel for this foreign cultural invasion."

        Amigo, no te nos vengas a hacer el maestro del conocimiento Sudamericano porque lograste aprender nuestro lenguaje. Me da la sensación que tu eres otro gringo mas que se ha mudado a nuestras tierras con su visión colonial o anti-colonial, que a fin de cuentas son los dos lados de la misma moneda.

        Y te cuenta que hablar Castellano (no español) no te da ninguna habilidad magica para saber realidades mas o menos profunda de algún grupo. De hecho, muchos que son hispanoparlantes nativos no tienen ni puta idea que está pasando en sus propios paises. Y bueno...

        Así que dime Chuchitumami, eres Gringo?
  • I've been coming to Iquitos for 5 years now. I've seen a lot of changes. A drive down the carretara to Nauta used to be a ride through the country. Sure there were farms along the way, but it felt like a great relief about 10 minutes out past the airport. A few days ago I went out to K 68. It's nearly all developed or developing now. The only stretch of nature left that isn't being bulldozed is the nature preserve. That and the retreat sites. The population of the Amzzon basin is sky-rocketing. Soon the area will be very open to oil and mineral extraction. If I could, even though it's quite imperialistic, I'd buy a few thousand hectares just to try to preserve a bit of what will soon be what was. Sad but true.
  • Holland has a vast history of trade with Asia
    In it's prime i was called the golden age in seventeenth century.
    Most people were merchants, the sea was very close always and had great connections to the rest of the world.
    Art, trade and science were at a great peak..
    Also social stature was determined by income..
    The more wealth,, the more power..
    A part of the wealth came from the first slavetraders, teh Dutch brought slaves from Africa to America through Amsterdam.
    It's a nasty history.. but striving business
    A lot of people that came to America.. even in later decades, came there to live the "AMerican Dream"
    So everybody wanted a piece of the newly found pie...
    All with properous visions of wealth in the back of their heads..
    Now Europe is coming together more and more...
    Personally I feel the leaders have lost connection with their 'people'.
    There is no poetry in those politics..
    Everybody wants a finger in the porridge, and will do whatever neccesary to get it in there.

    It's an attitude..I believe..
    An attitude that should confronted with protest...
    First realise what you can do yourself...
    There is a lot to say about this...
    • The origin lies in the history...
      Politics...
      Changing values concerning, money, power and wealth...
      And the moving/shifting of dreams concerning these issues..
      What happens around the world has been happening for decades
      War over land and resources..
      .
      Things are the way they are.. as they are moving ..
      Modern society is strange and fragmented in so many ways..
      People in power are afraid to loose power...
      They rather do what is excepted in a grander scale of world order...
      Economics.. land.. space...
      Who can buy the moon you know? .
      Bungalows on mars.. perhaps..?.
      These things seem sci-fi...
      But they will happen..
      • I don't think ayahuasca is gonna stop it all..
        That is the premise of this post ..not..?
        That it will magically heal the world..?
        I don't believe that..

        It can also be used as a tool for contemplation into darker realms and gaining power.
        If it is ingested by the means of healing, it will be a catalyst for the process..
        If it is ingested by the means of gaining knowledge of manipulation and black magic, it will be right that..
        A lot of people don't care selling their soul to the devil...
        A lot of people have already lost faith in any higher good...
        It is better to fight the cynism in one's self and promote the good...
        It is human nature.. egocentrism... struggle to survive in any landscape... wether it is taxes that need to be paid or animals to be hunted down... it is the need for humans to survive no matter the cost... and humans are some imaginative, intelligent motherfuckers.
        • I do still stick with my anthem for this year..

          You can't change the past...
          Only the way you look back at it..

          And if people keep looking back in anger, there is never gonna be any healing the present situation...
          If people keep looking forward vengefully or in greed, no healing will take place..
          To live for a higher good people will have to realise their capabilities..
          That they actually have the power in them to create from and in their hearts a beautiful place..
          All hearts that were broken can be healed with the power of compassion and forgiveness..
          It is the trust that is needed to put a heart into someone else's hands.

          If you can heal one person, make them 'see'.
          That person will make others 'see'.
          Looking through so much of the bullshit..
          Looking through the devilish practices of people who make you believe to be something that you are not...
          We are all human beings god dammit..

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