Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

topic posted Thu, November 20, 2008 - 6:36 PM by  om
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ok...was wondering how well this would work.
ok, here's the idea:

I was gonna make my own Organic, natural, super-concentrated X-tract of
chagraponga or whatever the hell it's called, mix it 60/40 with a little bit of
edible lime (60% dmt, 40%lime), and then mix this mixture 60/40 or so with
super concentrated, powdered Caapi X-tract in a pipe and smoking.

Won't this be the Shit-Free, Vomit-less Aya session, compressed significantly of course?
actually i heard that when you smoke dmt with Caapi X-tract the journey increases
in length from 5 minutes to 5 hours!! Thanks for all your help

nishu
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  • Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

    Thu, November 20, 2008 - 7:19 PM
    So what's wrong with purging?
    • om
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      Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

      Thu, November 20, 2008 - 11:20 PM
      please refrain from changing the subject, and address the poster's question.
      • Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

        Thu, November 20, 2008 - 11:33 PM
        You don't have to smoke the caapi..
        It is used to break down enzymes in the stomach.that destroy the DMT molecule when taking ayahuasca.
        If you want to extract you only need the DMT from the chacruna. Or other plants that contain lots of DMT.
        Mimosa Hostilis and chaliponga also contain a lot of DMT.


        • Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

          Thu, November 20, 2008 - 11:36 PM
          I feel that the purging is also very healing.
          It's a nausea like nothing else.
          But with a proper diet and health, the purge is minimal.
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            Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

            Fri, November 21, 2008 - 12:36 AM
            <<<You don't have to smoke the caapi..
            It is used to break down enzymes in the stomach that destroy the DMT molecule when taking ayahuasca.>>>

            yes I know. But I was told by an alchemist friend of mine that if you smoke concentrated MAOI
            mixed with DMT then your journey goes from a few minutes to several HOURS. I mentioned this above.

            thanks anyway tho.

            n
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              Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

              Sun, November 23, 2008 - 2:28 PM
              Alchemy is the ultimate science.
              since long before the creation of "Changa" and probably even Ayahuasca,
              people have being using both drinkable AND smokeable Ayahuasca-like potions
              in ancient India.
              There's said to be 108 sacred (psychoactive) plants of Shiva on the Indian sub-continent alone!
              many MANY of them contain DMT and/or MAOI's.
              • Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

                Mon, November 24, 2008 - 8:01 AM
                Hey Om, do you by any chance have any links to places where it talks about (hopefully in a fairly concrete way) the usage of ayahuasca-like potions in India. I don't doubt the possibility of it, I'm just curious to read more about that.

                Thanks,

                Jav
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                  Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

                  Mon, November 24, 2008 - 1:02 PM
                  Sure!

                  Thanks for asking, JAv.

                  A really good source is: "Shamanism and Tantra in the Himalayas and Nepal."

                  combined work of three authors / explorers / journalists / researchers/ photographers. (Christian Ratsch is one I believe.)

                  Most of what is xplained in it applies to both India and Nepal -- as a matter of fact these practices are Native to India. Many of the names
                  of the many various and incredible herbs / flowers / potions / Elixirs / concoctions have Indian names which i can read and pronounce and know the meanings of (I speak Gujarati & Hindi)

                  blessings,

                  n
  • Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

    Wed, December 10, 2008 - 3:43 PM
    Forget all those ideas. You are heading to a disaster with your approach. Learn how to cook the vine, the Banisteriopsis caapi, the Mother, make it a liquid, it will clean your body and mind, squeeze the crap out of you. It is a good medicine this way. Don't play with extracts, they are dangerous. Possibly "people have being using both drinkable AND smokeable Ayahuasca-like potions
    in ancient India" as you say, but they knew what they were doing. You know some basics about the molecules, but you know nothing about the terrific places to which such experimenting may lead you. Always have a sitter. Know what you are doing. First do it traditionally, then experiment with new stuff. Forget about books, drink a lot of Banisteriopsis caapi vine and slowly add the admixture. Or seek a shaman who will take the responsibility. In any case, pay a visit at the forums at forums.ayahuasca.com, there are people who will gladly assist you with the praparation. All the luck to you, and let your guardians guide you and prevent you from doing anything stupid. Pray to them.
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      Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

      Thu, December 11, 2008 - 1:59 PM
      wow sounds like a "little smoke" that could be powerful, smoking has a couple of drawbacks that i perceived over the years by observing, not actually smoking, but always curious and wanting to distill the crystal from the chacruina someday and get the mao inhibitor together from a variety of other sources.then drinking the mao half an hour before smoking the charcruna crystals DMT... i only ever heard that the journey with out the mao was 5 to 15 minutes and with the inhibitor 45 minutes. well back to the two drawbacks, i think it might be addictive in an intensely psychological way due to the wondrous nature of the realms you encounter. you want to go back ALWAYS. . terence also felt that his brain lesions that finally killed him were due to the incredible amount of DMT he put through his system while he was exploring those realms. i dont think he regretted it. communal experiences with other human and extraterrestrial beings is the norm and mc kenna with others documented journeys together, interacting in the space together. while the physical bodies remained un conscious. be sure and try your little smoke with someone to watch you. the first times are difficult because of the sense of acceleration that can startle, if your startled you ground out into a psychedelic dream scape etc. once you can maintain yourself kind of steeled up for it you penetrate other realms , i have been told you almost never get there until you have smoked 5 to 10 times. you will know you are there because you can look at your hands and control them and move about. things interact with you pretty frequently, you usually get a welcome committee. then your hooked. i have heard amazing stories from this place. everybody who gets there sees the same things. sounds so intriguing, i will probably try it eventually, once i can make it near a source. which is practically everywhere except the poles, and there might even be some there to (DMT) that is. get a watcher for yourself dont be macho. two pipes and your on the floor so be careful of that drop to the floor. some people say that occasionally someone will have a epileptic looking episode that requires a bit of watcher help.......a last mention is that you may have noticed that when man concentrates natures medicines to extremes there is always certainly a trade off somewhere, you get more of that and less of this and sometimes to much of the other.. or not enough? ..peace peace om keep us posted,
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        Fri, December 12, 2008 - 5:13 PM
        Terence did more than just DMT in his life time. Who knows what actually caused his health problems.

        Shamans that use ayahuasca there entire adult life typically have amazing health and live a long time.

        Did you know that Albert Hofmann, the inventor of LSD, lived a very long and healthy life, dying at the age of 102? The year before his death I saw him speak and he still had a very sharp mind at age 101. He died as the result of natural causes, despite the fact that he used LSD many times throughout his life. He also used mushrooms, DMT, salvia, and other similar drugs on himself when bio-essaying them for their effects while attempting to isolate their active compounds. He used all the major psychedelic drugs.

        Looking at the shamans and Hofmann, I'm more inclined to believe that these substances are not damaging when used properly. Alcohol, which is accepted by most countries as a drug people can legally use is far more damaging to people than DMT or LSD appears to be. If these two drugs were damaging, Albert Hofmann would not have lived so long and shamans would be known for poor health, not excellent health.

        As for a smoking mix, most shamans DO NOT SMOKE DMT. They use it orally in ayahuasca, which may be healthier.

        Smoking is generally not healthy, and Terence may have developed health problem because he smoked lots of marijuana every day for 35 years, he smoked DMT (not as often as marijuana), and smoked many other compounds.

        Timothy Leary died of cancer. He was addicted to cigarettes, marihuana, cocaine, and several other drugs he’s reported to have used everyday! Talk about a drug addict!

        Albert Hofmann didn’t smoke or abuse drugs on a daily basis. He used LSD “regularly” throughout his life, but never on a weekly or daily basis like Leary and McKenna did with pot, and other habitual drugs.

        As far as health is concerned, McKenna and Leary both used marijuana daily (Leary was also addictive to cigarettes). They both got cancer. Hofmann used LSD mostly, and he was one of the healthiest people on this planet, living to be 102 and having a sharp mind and good health before his death. And then you have shamans that use DMT based ayahuasca their entire adult life and they’ve been shown to have very healthy minds and bodies.

        So what are the FACTS here? It seems like marijuana is the culprit here in McKenna’s death and not DMT. The people that use DMT or LSD only, and NOT marijuana or cigarettes are usually just as healthy as everyone else is. The people that are using marijuana daily are dropping like flies.

        I used to think pot was fine to smoke, but after seeing so many long term pot users develop health problems just like cigarette smokers, I just can’t see pot as being so benign. It is definitely causing health problems it its long term users.
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          Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

          Sat, December 13, 2008 - 9:08 AM
          well i think you are right , terrence just expressed his thought like that but you make a good point, we will probably never know what killed terrence , i wonder why the shamans through history never smoked it? castenedas don juan smoked something. i wonder what the mixture was in real life the beings in that dimension say they have seen humans there many times before in our history, of course this whole concept could be flaked out quickly if you have not actually been there, which i have not , so all info is gold, thanks hendrix for the pulse of info there.....
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            Sat, December 13, 2008 - 9:25 AM
            >>>we will probably never know what killed terrence<<<

            I really don't think there's much mystery here.

            Terence died of glioblastoma multiforme, a very aggressive brain cancer that afflicts primarily men in their forties and fifties. A friend of mine died from this disease, and it is a hard way to go. As far as I know, the disease has nothing to do with drug ingestion. My friend's drug of choice was Harley-Davidson. :-) As far as I know, too, the course of Terence's disease was absolutely typical of glioblastoma. Of course, there's been speculation, but I have heard no substantial reason to believe that Terence's brain cancer was caused by anything other than the same damn bad luck that causes it in other men his age.

            If anyone knows anything more, I would be really interested.

            -- Steve
            singingtotheplants.blogspot.com/
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              Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

              Sat, December 13, 2008 - 10:19 AM
              wancho, i know EXACTLY what I'm doing..... and you want to know WHY that is?

              because i have NO idea of what I'm doing! lol! literally....

              in other words, i have NO IDEAS, no fixed ideas, expectations, or preconceptions about what I'm getting myself into.

              I'll take it as it comes.

              bliss,

              n
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            • Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

              Wed, January 21, 2009 - 9:21 PM
              I've seen and heard of shamans(ayahuasqueros) who reportedly suck cancer out of the people they are working with to heal, they say they can taste the cancer in their mouth and that it tastes like sand. So this puzzles me a bit that Terence died of cancer, when he was doing
              so ayahuasca and spent so much time studying shamanism. It sounds strange to think that the DMT had anything to do with brain cancer,
              since he always talked about how it is an endogenously produced substance and metabolizes so quickly therefore an indicator of its safety.
              It does seem more like the brain cancer was "bad luck," although that's not really a satisfying explanation. One thought is that it was magical attack. Magical attack on behalf of science. If you notice, Terence was always talking about science as an institution and how it had denigrating effects on a true apprehension of reality. Also notice that in one of his lectures, terence talks about a visit to his doctor for a yearly physical in which the doctor said, "You know, in the 19th century, most people your age would have been dead by now," "True, terence thought in reply." Well, I think this was a negative unconscious suggestion. Possibly. Terence's left brainedness was a strength and a weakness.
              I also look at his death like, just another illustration of diving into the unknown, without fear...this was his message in many ways. It wasn't until after he was dead I see his advocacy for lucid dreaming. I'm also interested in What were the things Christian Rastch was saying that weren't fully satifying scholars?
  • Re: Vomit-less, Shit-free, compressed Aya session

    Wed, January 21, 2009 - 9:30 PM
    Yeah, if you're worried about the aya vomit.shit aspect, and I am too...then you may want to try slowly ingesting it over the period of time that you are making it. Ramping it up as I think of it. Don't drink more than you're comfortable with and have a somewhat empty stomach. I've had meaningful aya experiences in which I dind't really take very much at all, and never got queasy or threw up. I had some nice visions a couple times when I just had a little bit, not enough to feel sick, and had nice what seemed like eternal software downloads into my inner visons,
    explanations, teachings, it was inside of me urging patience, what to get rid of in my life, where I should not overextend myself, etc. Actually
    the times I've done it and thrown up a whole lot and shit etc, I didn't have much in the way of mystical insights, just god I hope I don't die.
    So why don't you try doing smallish amounts, and smoking a little cannabis, I agree, trying to concentrate it is not a good idea, stick with the tradition and put time into making it the way shamans have for many years, that's my advice as well. And sing into it, the whole time, infuse it with a balanced energy formation, tune into a sense of some little song you can sing into it.

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